Raymond and Walker's brigade

Yes, there were competing authorities on May 10th.
Your analysis is very good and I agree with you 100%.

I will take the opportunity to give some context as to what command authorities are. Obviously, command authority is the authority that a commander lawfully exercises over subordinates. And there are three key types of command authorities, Administrative control (ADCON), operational control (OPCON), and tactical control (TACON). The conflicts in command authorities for W Adams were created by Pemberton himself. It gets a bit wonky when you start discussing the relationship of supporting commands and supported commands or whether a unit is "attached to" or "in support of" another unit. A bit beyond the scope of this discussion.

Anyway.... what I meant to convey by "competing command authorities" for Adams is in essence Pemberton ordering Richardson to take command of all cavalry at Edwards Depot, in the absence of Adams, and to report to Bowen. Bowen's command authorities over Richardson would be OPCON and TACON, while also keeping for himself (Pemberton) OPCON. Pemberton ordered Adams to take command of all cavalry from Richardson. But although Adams superseded Richardson that did not negate Richardson's orders. Therefore Adams assumed the same orders as Richardson, to report to Bowen, again giving Bowen OPCON and TACON over Adams and all the cavalry, while Pemberton still reserved OPCON for himself. Additionally, Pemberton ordered Adams to report to Gregg, thereby giving Gregg OPCON and TACON over Adams, while again reserving for himself OPCON over Adams.

Now Adams has 3 bosses and subject to the orders of Bowen, Pemberton, and Gregg. So whatever order Adams received first is the one he was most likely to obey and he got Bowen's order to bring his force to Edward's Depot before he got Pemberton's order to protect Gregg.

Clear as mud now huh?
 
Your analysis is very good and I agree with you 100%.

I will take the opportunity to give some context as to what command authorities are. Obviously, command authority is the authority that a commander lawfully exercises over subordinates. And there are three key types of command authorities, Administrative control (ADCON), operational control (OPCON), and tactical control (TACON). The conflicts in command authorities for W Adams were created by Pemberton himself. It gets a bit wonky when you start discussing the relationship of supporting commands and supported commands or whether a unit is "attached to" or "in support of" another unit. A bit beyond the scope of this discussion.

Anyway.... what I meant to convey by "competing command authorities" for Adams is in essence Pemberton ordering Richardson to take command of all cavalry at Edwards Depot, in the absence of Adams, and to report to Bowen. Bowen's command authorities over Richardson would be OPCON and TACON, while also keeping for himself (Pemberton) OPCON. Pemberton ordered Adams to take command of all cavalry from Richardson. But although Adams superseded Richardson that did not negate Richardson's orders. Therefore Adams assumed the same orders as Richardson, to report to Bowen, again giving Bowen OPCON and TACON over Adams and all the cavalry, while Pemberton still reserved OPCON for himself. Additionally, Pemberton ordered Adams to report to Gregg, thereby giving Gregg OPCON and TACON over Adams, while again reserving for himself OPCON over Adams.

Now Adams has 3 bosses and subject to the orders of Bowen, Pemberton, and Gregg. So whatever order Adams received first is the one he was most likely to obey and he got Bowen's order to bring his force to Edward's Depot before he got Pemberton's order to protect Gregg.

Clear as mud now huh?
That was May 10th. May 11th, Pemberton gave Adams autonomy, placing the responsibility of covering Edwards and Raymond in his hands, merely ordering Adams to keep Gregg informed.


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That was May 10th. May 11th, Pemberton gave Adams autonomy, placing the responsibility of covering Edwards and Raymond in his hands, merely ordering Adams to keep Gregg informed.


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That is correct. However.....
I didn't do a very good job of showing my work here and you are right to question it. So here is how I got there:

05.06 to Richardson "Come to Edwards Depot"

05.09 to Richardson, "Report to General Bowen" - that imparts OPCON and TACON to Bowen and Richardson is to respond to orders from Bowen or Pemberton. Setting up the dual command.

05.10 to Bowen, "you will only employ cavalry with you..." that imparts OPCON and TACON to Bowen.

05.10 to Gregg, "use Wirt Adams' cavalry at Raymond" that imparts TACON to Gregg

05.10 to Adams, "Proceed at once to Edwards Depot, and take command of all the cavalry...." -where Richardson is commanding cavalry

05.11 to Adams, "Take command of all cavalry at Edwards Depot..." Adams now assumes the command from Richardson and unless otherwise rescinded then Adams assumes the orders Richardson was obliged to obey

05.11 Adams to Pemberton, "moving my six companies to this point by General Bowen's order..." - suggests that Adams at least understood he was obligated to obey an order from Bowen

05.12 Adams to Pemberton, "My commission is dated 15th October, 1861." - I speculate that there was some question between Richardson and Adams as to who was the ranking officer. Again, my speculation only.

05.13 Adams to Pemberton, "I marched by General Gregg's order to Raymond..." suggests that Adams believed he was subject to obeying orders from Gregg.
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I claim no special knowledge, this is just how I interpret it.
 

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Possibly. When I first came across the article it was kind of confusing in that I had assumed all of Gregg's men had taken the Jackson-Raymond Road, thinking at the time that perhaps this article was evidence that Gregg's men might've taken the Jackson to Clinton route instead. But I've never really looked deeper into it and hadn't really thought about it until the discussion of Walker in this thread.

But just thinking off the top of my head here— if, as you speculate, Gregg left Jackson without rations and wagons, would it not make sense to at least hug the Southern RR as far as possible where supplies might be more readily available before turning toward Raymond?

Maybe the Jackson-Raymond Road is just the shorter route? But it is kind of strange that the 41st commander shows up in Clinton—that is, if the newspaper article is correct.
 
05.11 Adams to Pemberton, "moving my six companies to this point by General Bowen's order..." - suggests that Adams at least understood he was obligated to obey an order from Bowen

I read that completely differently. Adams was explaining why he had left Raymond uncovered. Pemberton, frustrated with trying to move Adams around the board like a game piece, turns him loose. Basically, cover all the roads all the time keeping everyone informed.

05.13 Adams to Pemberton, "I marched by General Gregg's order to Raymond..." suggests that Adams believed he was subject to obeying orders from Gregg.
Order, request … basically Adams rode to within a couple miles of Gregg to determine the situation, and it was dire. Gregg was attempting to withdraw but had no fresh troops available for a rear guard.
 
I read that completely differently. Adams was explaining why he had left Raymond uncovered. Pemberton, frustrated with trying to move Adams around the board like a game piece, turns him loose. Basically, cover all the roads all the time keeping everyone informed.


Order, request … basically Adams rode to within a couple miles of Gregg to determine the situation, and it was dire. Gregg was attempting to withdraw but had no fresh troops available for a rear guard.

Raymond wasn't quite uncovered. Adams had sent a squadron (Cos K & M) to cover Raymond. There was also a company of the 1st Battalion MS State Troops Infantry that had been mounted and was in the area.
 
Raymond wasn't quite uncovered. Adams had sent a squadron (Cos K & M) to cover Raymond. There was also a company of the 1st Battalion MS State Troops Infantry that had been mounted and was in the area.
"Raymond being entirely uncovered by moving my six companies to this point by General Bowen's order, I have sent back one squadron to guard approaches until General Gregg arrives."

I believe Adams had all six companies with him at the fight with Sherman at Fourteen Mile Creek, and there's no evidence I can find of the squadron tangling with McPherson's ad hoc battalion early on the 12th, so I'm assuming they rejoined Adams on the Old Port Gibson Road after Gregg arrived.

Does having a single company of state troops count as having the road covered?
 
"Raymond being entirely uncovered by moving my six companies to this point by General Bowen's order, I have sent back one squadron to guard approaches until General Gregg arrives."

I believe Adams had all six companies with him at the fight with Sherman at Fourteen Mile Creek, and there's no evidence I can find of the squadron tangling with McPherson's ad hoc battalion early on the 12th, so I'm assuming they rejoined Adams on the Old Port Gibson Road after Gregg arrived.

Does having a single company of state troops count as having the road covered?
Gents, I would suggest that we start back at the beginning. The mission and commanders intent. I wrote a notional commanders intent statement. I'm curious if yall think it captures what it was Pemberton was attempting to do.
 
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"Raymond being entirely uncovered by moving my six companies to this point by General Bowen's order, I have sent back one squadron to guard approaches until General Gregg arrives."

I believe Adams had all six companies with him at the fight with Sherman at Fourteen Mile Creek, and there's no evidence I can find of the squadron tangling with McPherson's ad hoc battalion early on the 12th, so I'm assuming they rejoined Adams on the Old Port Gibson Road after Gregg arrived.

Does having a single company of state troops count as having the road covered?

Adams had five of his nine companies with him for the skirmish with Sherman, two were up in the Greenville area picketing, two were sent to the Raymond area. I've attached Co. M's record of events stating they were at Raymond. Co. K's record mentions capturing five ambulances enroute to Raymond.

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Adams had five of his nine companies with him for the skirmish with Sherman, two were up in the Greenville area picketing, two were sent to the Raymond area. I've attached Co. M's record of events stating they were at Raymond. Co. K's record mentions capturing five ambulances enroute to Raymond.

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Technically, Wirt Adams' entire force was at the engagement in Raymond, and this record never mentions skirmishing with McPherson's advance, which would be salient to the record. This makes it sound like the company was holding the Old Port Gibson Road between Adams and Gregg.

Can you tell what this word says?

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"Were present at the engagement at Raymond between Gen. Gregg and the advance of Gen. Grant's army ____ of the retreat of Gen. Gregg's army from Raymond to Jackson."

Is that intended to say "Brought off?"

The capture of the ambulances was near Port Gibson several days earlier wasn't it?
 
if, as you speculate, Gregg left Jackson without rations and wagons,
I think we, collectively, have built a strong case for support that Gregg deviated from his orders and moved without rations and wagons. Ultimately it wasn't impactful, but it could have been if Gregg had been able to maintain his position at Raymond and execute Pemberton's order to attack the rear or flank of the enemy. Gregg would have been left with a force in which to execute his assignment with no ability to sustain his operations and no logistics tail back to Jackson (that I've seen). The route he took to Raymond is certainly of interest but ultimately is beside the point, to me at least.

If you accept my notional "Commander's Intent" and that Pemberton ordered certain forces to Raymond to execute that intent then the question becomes why those forces, so ordered, were not in place. It's clear Hoskins' battery was attached to Gregg's brigade but they were not present at Raymond. Why? It's clear Pemberton wanted W Adam's cavalry at Raymond and yet they weren't. Why? It's clear that Pemberton wanted Walker's element at Raymond and yet they weren't. Why? I would be very interested to know the reason Walker took 24 hours to move to Raymond and still could only get within 4 miles, when his orders said "immediately."
 
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I get it. But I guess I'm interested more in observing your framework of interpretation here. And I have been impressed by it, and that is why I "liked" post #19. I "liked" it because you admitted to using certain amounts of speculation in your reasoning, and I think that gives your framework a level of professionalism that I don't often see here.

But then you went from this:

"If Gregg had properly provisioned his troops for sustained operations," in post #19,

To this, in post #32

"I think we, collectively, have built a strong case for support that Gregg deviated from his orders and moved without rations and wagons."

Did I miss something?

It seems you are now asking us to move forward on the basis of a different framework.

So, I ask: from which "strong case" has this notion that Gregg marched without rations and wagons been built? As far as I can tell, it is drawn solely from lack of evidence. But the lack of evidence "for" something can apply equally to a lack of evidence "against" something. In other words, as the old, worn out saying goes: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

So, as one good ol' Raymond boy to another: I respectfully disagree that we have collectively made a "strong case." 😁

But I'm willing to let it slide. You do you.

As to # 32:

"The route he took to Raymond is certainly of interest but ultimately is beside the point, to me at least."

This may be so. I was just offering it in relation to following line of inquiry: "It would be very interested to know the reason Walker took 24 hours to move to Raymond and still could only get within 4 miles, when his orders said "immediately."

Admittedly, I have not closely followed your process for calculating the timeline of Walker's movements. Some of it appears to rely on a newspaper article, or on behalf of your own method of "presuming," or both.

I too am offering speculation. That is, if Gregg marched on the Jackson-Clinton Road rather than the Jackson-Raymond Road, then perhaps Walker used the same road as Gregg later. This is also drawn without great evidence but with citation to a 1908 newspaper article. If true, is it possible that Walker became apprised of Gregg's demise somewhere on the Jackson-Clinton Road, learning there of Gregg's retreat toward MS Springs and thus had to divert his force to the Jackson-Raymond Road— and in unfamiliar territory at that? Maybe that can account for such a long delay.

Now, I heartily admit it is weak, even for speculation, but we are indeed speculating around here, so I simply offered it up to the gods.

Now, some of this, I truly believe, can be sorted out by eyewitness accounts. This is your baby. And I have assumed that at some point you are going to look into eyewitness accounts to support some of the assumptions made here but which have not been substantiated. And I hope you do that before getting too deep toward a settled conclusion.

In the meantime, I am enjoying your thought process as you try to overlay them on top modern military frameworks—which is very difficult. It's an impressive endeavor and you are doing a great job in my opinion. And I especially appreciate the sincerity with which you are doing it. And believe me, I have learned a lot precisely because you are working with a sense of professionalism sussing these things out—and despite my layman observations and friendly critiques. So, take me with a grain of salt and keep it up. I truly cannot wait to see the final product!!!
 
Well dear friend, as to the operations around Raymond we have said enough. 50 years from now some ACW goober like us will put in just the right keywords and the algorithm will line up just right, and this discussion will populate his search. He can figure it out for himself.

But I do want to thank you for challenging me as I know from experience that's how I improve. Furthermore, I am always mindful that you've shown an interest in what I am trying to do. Unfortunately, I haven't really been able to say because I wasn't sure myself. In any War College you will inevitably be tasked with a paper analyzing a campaign from the past using modern doctrine. I remember thinking while analyzing Operation HUSKY, the invasion of Sicily, that this method could be done for ACW campaigns. So in my retirement I decided to give it a try. Suffice it to say, it is more easily said than done. So I'm figuring it out as I go. After about a year I finally found the entrance to King Tuts tomb but I still didn't have a map to the riches. That's why I'm grateful to you and @tony_gunter for being so willing to share your knowledge and challenge me, as it has been a tremendous help in finding the right approach. So while still very imperfect, I'll try to give you some context. You've inquired about understanding the framework from which I approach my research so I will make an attempt at it now:

The product of planning is just that, the plan. It matters not whether it is done by Gen Grant, locked in a stateroom, wreathed in cigar smoke, poring over maps and dispatches or a modern staff of hundreds. The product of planning is the plan. Unfortunately, John Pemberton wasn't very good at that... planning. So that adds an additional layer of difficulty in analyzing his operations. After May 3, Pemberton had exactly two plans, (1) get into position behind the BBR on a line from Warrenton to Hall's Ferry(?) and invite attack. And (2) on May 13, get into line south and east of Edwards Depot and await attack. Everything else he did, in my opinion, was a reaction, not a plan. I've found two descriptions of Pemberton that I feel are accurate:

Dougherty:


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Basso:

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BLUF: Pemberton could only do one thing at a time and then only half way.

So that does complicate the understanding of Confederate operations. I solved that by reverse engineering the "plan," such as it was, for Raymond. It is simple enough to understand that a plan begins with initiation and ends with execution. Modern doctrine has a methodology for planning from initiation to execution (expressed as the orders).


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Obviously, Pemberton did not have access to this knowledge but we can establish that he got to Step 7 and issued orders. From those orders it is possible to scroll back to Step 2, Mission Analysis. One of the primary outputs of Step 2, Mission Analysis, is the commander's intent statement, which I interpret as:

"Position troops at Raymond of sufficient capability to defend the approaches to Jackson and Southern Railroad and if ordered, attack in rear or flank enemy forces attacking friendly forces at Edwards Depot and Big Black River Bridge."

Once it is established what his intent was and the orders he issued in furtherance of that intent, then it becomes fair to examine how well they did at executing that intent. That examination reveals to me that, (1) Gregg deviated from his orders, (2) Gregg permitted the separation of Hoskins' battery from his movement, (3) Adams received conflicting orders which kept him from accomplishing Pemberton's intent, (4) Walker deviated from his orders to move immediately. All of which are contributors to the root causes of Confederate defeat at Raymond. Instead of 4200 men and 9 guns, the Confederates were only able to put into action 2700 men and 3 guns, certainly a big enough delta to influence the outcome.

That's an overview of the approach I'm taking. As I go along I expect I'll be able to add more context but for now that's about the best I can accomplish. I claim no special prescience in my interpretations, I just think using the tools of modern doctrine can add additional fidelity to the study of the campaign, more than the Principles of War can provide.


I do think that Raymond represents a unique chapter in the Inland Campaign for Vicksburg mostly based on how its treated in historiography. As I see it, most authors do well enough examining the entire complex system of the campaign but when it comes to Raymond it just seems to be a hard break in the narrative and then a chapter describing the Battle of Raymond. Almost as a stand alone event, without putting it in its proper place and proper context in the examination of the entire campaign. I think that hard stop in the narrative just to cover the Battle of Raymond prevents us from putting into context the pre and post impacts of Raymond beyond just the change in Grant's thinking. I'm curious if y'all see it that way as well.
 
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Well dear friend, as to the operations around Raymond we have said enough. 50 years from now some ACW goober like us will put in just the right keywords and the algorithm will line up just right, and this discussion will populate his search. He can figure it out for himself.

But I do want to thank you for challenging me as I know from experience that's how I improve. Furthermore, I am always mindful that you've shown an interest in what I am trying to do. Unfortunately, I haven't really been able to say because I wasn't sure myself. In any War College you will inevitably be tasked with a paper analyzing a campaign from the past using modern doctrine. I remember thinking while analyzing Operation HUSKY, the invasion of Sicily, that this method could be done for ACW campaigns. So in my retirement I decided to give it a try. Suffice it to say, it is more easily said than done. So I'm figuring it out as I go. After about a year I finally found the entrance to King Tuts tomb but I still didn't have a map to the riches. That's why I'm grateful to you and @tony_gunter for being so willing to share your knowledge and challenge me, as it has been a tremendous help in finding the right approach. So while still very imperfect, I'll try to give you some context. You've inquired about understanding the framework from which I approach my research so I will make an attempt at it now:

The product of planning is just that, the plan. It matters not whether it is done by Gen Grant, locked in a stateroom, wreathed in cigar smoke, poring over maps and dispatches or a modern staff of hundreds. The product of planning is the plan. Unfortunately, John Pemberton wasn't very good at that... planning. So that adds an additional layer of difficulty in analyzing his operations. After May 3, Pemberton had exactly two plans, (1) get into position behind the BBR on a line from Warrenton to Hall's Ferry(?) and invite attack. And (2) on May 13, get into line south and east of Edwards Depot and await attack. Everything else he did, in my opinion, was a reaction, not a plan. I've found two descriptions of Pemberton that I feel are accurate:

Dougherty:


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Basso:

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BLUF: Pemberton could only do one thing at a time and then only half way.

So that does complicate the understanding of Confederate operations. I solved that by reverse engineering the "plan," such as it was, for Raymond. It is simple enough to understand that a plan begins with initiation and ends with execution. Modern doctrine has a methodology for planning from initiation to execution (expressed as the orders).


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Obviously, Pemberton did not have access to this knowledge but we can establish that he got to Step 7 and issued orders. From those orders it is possible to scroll back to Step 2, Mission Analysis. One of the primary outputs of Step 2, Mission Analysis, is the commander's intent statement, which I interpret as:

"Position troops at Raymond of sufficient capability to defend the approaches to Jackson and Southern Railroad and if ordered, attack in rear or flank enemy forces attacking friendly forces at Edwards Depot and Big Black River Bridge."

Once it is established what his intent was and the orders he issued in furtherance of that intent, then it becomes fair to examine how well they did at executing that intent. That examination reveals to me that, (1) Gregg deviated from his orders, (2) Gregg permitted the separation of Hoskins' battery from his movement, (3) Adams received conflicting orders which kept him from accomplishing Pemberton's intent, (4) Walker deviated from his orders to move immediately. All of which are contributors to the root causes of Confederate defeat at Raymond. Instead of 4200 men and 9 guns, the Confederates were only able to put into action 2700 men and 3 guns, certainly a big enough delta to influence the outcome.

That's an overview of the approach I'm taking. As I go along I expect I'll be able to add more context but for now that's about the best I can accomplish. I claim no special prescience in my interpretations, I just think using the tools of modern doctrine can add additional fidelity to the study of the campaign, more than the Principles of War can provide.


I do think that Raymond represents a unique chapter in the Inland Campaign for Vicksburg mostly based on how its treated in historiography. As I see it, most authors do well enough examining the entire complex system of the campaign but when it comes to Raymond it just seems to be a hard break in the narrative and then a chapter describing the Battle of Raymond. Almost as a stand alone event, without putting it in its proper place and proper context in the examination of the entire campaign. I think that hard stop in the narrative just to cover the Battle of Raymond prevents us from putting into context the pre and post impacts of Raymond beyond just the change in Grant's thinking. I'm curious if y'all see it that way as well.
I had forgotten I had socked away in a folder these comments from Johnston re: Pemberton.


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Adams had five of his nine companies with him for the skirmish with Sherman, two were up in the Greenville area picketing, two were sent to the Raymond area. I've attached Co. M's record of events stating they were at Raymond. Co. K's record mentions capturing five ambulances enroute to Raymond.

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Riggins wrote about joining up with a company of 90 day troops just before Raymond, a collection of 30 old men and young boys. He claimed they were stationed at a crossroads 4 miles in advance of Raymond at a crossroads (which would put them at the Wright Road intersection today). He claims McPherson's cavalry were at a crossroads 5 miles from Raymond (which would place them at Oakley Palestine intersection today). He claims they were quickly overwhelmed by the federal cavalry who gave chase and crossed the Fourteen Mile Creek bridge only to run headlong into Gregg's pickets incurring at least one casualty.

He claims they were the only troops out in the direction of Utica.
 
I had forgotten I had socked away in a folder these comments from Johnston re: Pemberton.


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It's been an interesting thread, because I have always looked at the gaps in the Federal side of the story because those are the most glaring. But as you fleshed out, there are gaps on the Confederate side as well.

The thing that jumps out at me is that Pemberton had issues: 1) effectively communicating his intent 2) with subordinates, especially those arriving from outside the district, not following the letter or spirit of his orders.
 

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