★ ★ Rosecrans, William S.

William Starke "Old Rosy" Rosecrans​

Born: September 6, 1819

Birthplace: Delaware County, Ohio

Father: Crandall Rosecrans 1794 – 1848

Mother: Jemima Hopkins 1794 – 1861

Wife: Ann Eliza Hegeman 1823 – 1883

(Buried: Mount Olivet Cemetery, Washington, D.C.)​

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Married: August 24, 1843 at St. Paul's Church in New York City, New York

Children:

Rev. Adrian Louis Rosecrans 1849 – 1876​

(Buried: Saint Paul the Apostle Church Vault, Manhattan, New York)​

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Sister Mary Louise "Sister St. Charles" Rosecrans 1852 – 1878​

(Buried: Ursuline Cemetery, Saint Martin, Ohio)​

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Lily Elizabeth Rosecrans Toole 1854 – 1939​

(Buried: Resurrection Cemetery, Helena, Montana)​

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Anna Delores "Anita" Rosecrans 1857 – 1903​

(Buried: Old Saint Mary's Catholic Cemetery, Helena, Montana)​

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Carl Frederic Rosecrans 1860 – 1926​

(Buried: Calvary Cemetery, Los Angeles, California)​

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Charlotte Rosecrans 1862 - 1862​

Education:

1842: Graduated from West Point Military Academy – (5th​ in class)​

Occupation before War:

1842 – 1843: Brevet 2nd​ Lt. United States Army, Corps of Engineers​

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1842 – 1843: Assistant Engineer for Hampton Roads Fortifications​

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1843 – 1853: 2nd​ Lt. United States Army, Corps of Engineers​

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1843 – 1844: Assistant Engineering Professor at West Point​

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1844 – 1845: Assistant Philosophy Professor at West Point​

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1845 – 1846: Assistant Engineering Professor at West Point​

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1846 – 1847: Principal Assistant Engineering Professor at West Point​

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1847 – 1853: Superintendent Engineer of Repairs at Fort Adams​

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1852 – 1853: Superintendent Engineer of Surveys of Taunton River​

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1852 – 1853: Superintendent Engineer Repairs on Goat Island​

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1853 – 1854: 1st​ Lt. United States Army, Corps of Engineers​

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1853 – 1854: Superintendent Engineer, Washington Navy Yard​

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1854: Resigned from United States Army on April 1st​​

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1854 – 1855: Civil Engineer, and Architect, in Cincinnati, Ohio​

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1855 – 1857: Superintendent of Coal Company, in Coal River, Virginia​

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1856 – 1857: President of Coal River Navigation Company​

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1857 – 1861: Manufacturer of Kerosene Oil in Cincinnati, Ohio​

Civil War Career:

1861: Volunteer Aide to McClellan for Department of the Ohio​

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1861: Colonel, and Chief Engineer in the Union Army​

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1861: Colonel of 23rd​ Ohio Infantry Regiment​

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1861: Commander of Camp Chase, Ohio​

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1861 – 1867: Brigadier General in United States Army​

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1861: Brigade Commander at Battle of Rich Mountain​

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1861: Commander of the Union Army, Department of the Ohio​

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1861 – 1862: Commander of the Army Department of Western Virginia​

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1861: Successful Commander at Battle of Carnifex Ferry​

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1862 – 1866: Major General of Union Army, Volunteers​

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1862: Division Commander at the Siege of Corinth, Mississippi​

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1862: Commander of the Union Army of the Mississippi​

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1862: Successful Commander at Battle of Iuka, Mississippi​

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1862: Union Army Commander of District of Corinth, Mississippi​

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1862: Successful Commander at 2nd​ Battle of Corinth, Mississippi​

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1862 – 1863: Union Army Commander of Army of the Cumberland​

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1862 – 1863: Successful Commander at Battle of Stones River, Tennessee​

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1863: Union Army Commander Occupation of Bridgeport – Stevenson​

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1863: Union Army Commander crossing of Cumberland Mountains​

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1863: Unsuccessful Commander at Battle of Chickamuga, Georgia​

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1863: Commenced fortifying Chattanooga, Tennessee​

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1863 – 1864: Awaiting Orders in Cincinnati, Ohio​

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1864: Union Army Commander of Department of the Missouri​

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1864 – 1865: Awaiting Orders in Cincinnati, Ohio​

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1865: Brevetted Major General, U.S. Army, for Service at Stones River​

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1865 – 1867: On Leave of Absence from the United States Army​

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1866: Mustered out of the Union Army on January 15th​​

Occupation after War:

1861 – 1867: Brigadier General in United States Army​

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1865 – 1867: On Leave of Absence from the United States Army​

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1867: Resigned from United States Army on March 28th​​

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1868 – 1869: U.S. Minister to the Republic of Mexico​

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1869: Declined Democratic Nomination for Governor of Ohio​

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1869 – 1881: Civil and Mining Engineer, Railroad Enterprises in Mexico​

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1871 – 1881: President of San Jose Mining Company​

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1878 – 1881: President of Safety Powder Company in San Francisco​

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1881 – 1885: United States Congressman from California​

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1883 – 1885: House Chairman of Military Affairs Committee​

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1885 – 1893: Register for U.S. Treasury Department​

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1889: Brigadier General, U.S. Army on the retired list of officers​

Died: March 10, 1898

Place of Death: Bernardo Beach, California

Cause of Death: Pneumonia

Age at time of Death: 78 years old

Original Burial Place: Rosedale Cemetery, Los Angeles, California

Final Burial Place: Arlington National Cemetery, Arlington, Virginia

 

[DanSBHawk]

We are suppose to believe that in less that a week that Grant by himself opened the Cracker Line.

Of course not. Thomas and Baldy Smith get credit too.

 

[uaskme]

Of course not. Thomas and Baldy Smith get credit too.

Think you have changed your opinion here of late. Most don't give anybody but Grant credit.

 

[David Moore]

Any remarks about Gen LeDuc's comments.
Why no rebuttals of other parts of the War Dept Report like Gen JJ Reynolds testimony?
Btw Livermore was never near Chattanooga during the war. He was from Galena Il
hometown of you know who.
And his accuracy on his own memoirs has been questioned.
https://networks.h-net.org/node/411...omas-livermore-trustworthy-story-about-memory

 

[DanSBHawk]

Btw Livermore was never near Chattanooga during the war. He was from Galena Il
hometown of you know who.

That board of officers that you repeatedly reference... How many personally witnessed the events in question?

"Hometown of you know who?" Is this another conspiracy theory?

 

[DanSBHawk]

When did rumors and insinuating stuff become "serious history?"

 

[Irishtom29]

I thought Moore said he was taking a powder.

 

[David Moore]

From the book Chickamauga by John Turchin.

 

[David Moore]

From the book Chickamauga by John Turchin.

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[DanSBHawk]

From the book Chickamauga by John Turchin.

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In his book, Turchin claims that "What was done afterward at Browns Ferry, was but the carrying out of Rosecrans plan."

But the article linked earlier notes that, later, in 1889, Turchin admitted there was no "definite and practical plan."

 

[David Moore]

Which article? Can you post it?

 

[David Moore]

But lets go to the bigger point.
Rosecrans after Chickamauga was active and took steps including ordering the construction of pontoon boats and steam boats without which there could have been no opening and
resupplying of Chattanooga. No one disputed this. There is some question of where the pontoons were to be laid but that may have just been a question of geographic name confusion.
In contrast Grant after his actions in Chattanooga hit - according to John Rawlins- alarmingly drunk.
Why? Was Grant overwhelmed by success?

 

[trice]

From the book Chickamauga by John Turchin.

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Turchin also claims that Chickamauga was a Confederate defeat, just a few pages before the page you are posting here.

 

[David Moore]

Turchin also claims that Chickamauga was a Confederate defeat, just a few pages before the page you are posting here.

Many including the previously cited JR Young saw Chickamauga as a Confederate defeat.
What was the purpose of the battle?
To destroy Rosecrans' army? The Confederates didn't.
To retake Chattanooga? They didn't do that either.
To take West Chickamauga Creek? They did do that.

 

[trice]

Many including the previously cited JR Young saw Chickamauga as a Confederate defeat.
What was the purpose of the battle?
To destroy Rosecrans' army? The Confederates didn't.
To retake Chattanooga? They didn't do that either.
To take West Chickamauga Creek? They did do that.

You are talking about post-Civil War accounts here, or people trying to justify a disaster by painting it in rosy colors. You can easily flip all that to the other side and paint a dark picture of Rosecrans being defeated. It is all piffle.

The actual results on the field of Chickamauga were clearly a defeat for the Union. If you asked Lincoln, Stanton, Halleck, Rosecrans, Thomas, Grant, Sherman or any of a host of others about it on the day afterwards (or the day they heard of it), they would all tell you it was a Union defeat. Most would have called it a disaster because it was a disaster.

The follow-up to it was clearly not a Confederate success and ended up in Confederate defeat. If the Army of the Cumberland at Chattanooga had been starved into surrender or a retreat across the Tennessee River and the terrain behind it, that would have been another Union disaster, probably even worse than Chickamauga -- but Bragg and the Confederates were not up to that task. There is no doubt that the aftermath of Chickamauga turned into a Union victory at Chattanooga -- just as there is no doubt that Chickamauga was a Union defeat and a Confederate victory.

 

[David Moore]

You might read the letters written by Union soldiers shortly after the battle. The Dan Masters site has some. I posted one here earlier.
I also note you have no citations for anything you said just your opinions.
So what was the purpose of the battle of Chickamauga. What was the objective? West Chickamauga Creek?
You mentioned that Turchin - who was there- considered it a victory. I said many others did too.
It was certainly a strategic loss for the Confederacy.

 

[DanSBHawk]

Which article? Can you post it?

The Livermore article.

 

[DanSBHawk]

You might read the letters written by Union soldiers shortly after the battle. The Dan Masters site has some. I posted one here earlier.
I also note you have no citations for anything you said just your opinions.
So what was the purpose of the battle of Chickamauga. What was the objective? West Chickamauga Creek?
You mentioned that Turchin - who was there- considered it a victory. I said many others did too.
It was certainly a strategic loss for the Confederacy.

I'm sure many Union soldiers were ashamed to admit a defeat. Especially the ones who fled the battlefield.

 

[trice]

You might read the letters written by Union soldiers shortly after the battle. The Dan Masters site has some. I posted one here earlier.
I also note you have no citations for anything you said just your opinions.
So what was the purpose of the battle of Chickamauga. What was the objective? West Chickamauga Creek?
You mentioned that Turchin - who was there- considered it a victory. I said many others did too.
It was certainly a strategic loss for the Confederacy.

Please stop demanding sources when you must already know they exist. You are merely wasting other people's time and effort with your refusal to acknowledge the facts. For example:

CHATTANOOGA, TENN., September 20, 1863--5 p.m.​

(Received 8.40 p.m.)​

Maj. Gen. H. W. HALLECK, ​

General-in-Chief:​

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We have met with a serious disaster; extent not yet ascertained. Enemy overwhelmed us, drove our right, pierced our center, and scattered troops there. Thomas, who had seven divisions, remained intact at last news. Granger, with two brigades, had gone to support Thomas on the left. Every available reserve was used when the men stampeded. Burnside will be notified of the state of things at once, and you will be informed. Troops from Charleston, Florida, Virginia, and all along the seaboard are found among the prisoners.​

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It seems that every available man was thrown against us.​

W. S. ROSECRANS, ​

Major-General, Commanding.​

It appears that General Rosecrans himself believed and said he had met with a "serious disaster". He told his commanding officer this on the very day it happened.

 

[David Moore]

Please stop demanding sources when you must already know they exist. You are merely wasting other people's time and effort with your refusal to acknowledge the facts. For example:

CHATTANOOGA, TENN., September 20, 1863--5 p.m.​

(Received 8.40 p.m.)​

Maj. Gen. H. W. HALLECK, ​

General-in-Chief:​

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We have met with a serious disaster; extent not yet ascertained. Enemy overwhelmed us, drove our right, pierced our center, and scattered troops there. Thomas, who had seven divisions, remained intact at last news. Granger, with two brigades, had gone to support Thomas on the left. Every available reserve was used when the men stampeded. Burnside will be notified of the state of things at once, and you will be informed. Troops from Charleston, Florida, Virginia, and all along the seaboard are found among the prisoners.​

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It seems that every available man was thrown against us.​

W. S. ROSECRANS, ​

Major-General, Commanding.​

It appears that General Rosecrans himself believed and said he had met with a "serious disaster". He told his commanding officer this on the very day it happened.

"Please stop demanding sources"
says everything.

 

[NedBaldwin]

Any remarks about Gen LeDuc's comments.
Why no rebuttals of other parts of the War Dept Report like Gen JJ Reynolds testimony?
Btw Livermore was never near Chattanooga during the war. He was from Galena Il
hometown of you know who.

And LeDuc was childhood friends with the other 'you know who'. Gasp!

So much speculation and conspiracy in favor of Rosecrans who needs sources!