Next CWT tour

[Nathanb1]

It also occurred to me, guys...if not enough folks are into the trip of your dreams, or if we just can't make your suggestion work for the whole group, it is always possible for people to get together as a smaller group and do something together. Several years ago, a lot of us Texans got together and met at the Texas Civil War Museum in Fort Worth. Now THAT was awesome, thanks to James N., @Tin cup, @andy Hall, and various others who gave us the inside scoop on the treasures inside. It also gave us a chance to get to know each other, which is what these things are all about, really. And if you really want it in your neck of the woods, why get to organizing and some of us might show up! (I personally am very interested in the Missouri/Arkansas idea, not only because of Ben McCulloch, but to tie in some genealogy with my battlefield traipsing around! And it's about as close to us as anything else...). So please don't feel your voice can't be heard--you just have to put forth the effort to suggest ideas and how we can get there, etc.

 

[gentlemanrob]

It also occurred to me, guys...if not enough folks are into the trip of your dreams, or if we just can't make your suggestion work for the whole group, it is always possible for people to get together as a smaller group and do something together. Several years ago, a lot of us Texans got together and met at the Texas Civil War Museum in Fort Worth. Now THAT was awesome, thanks to James N., @Tin cup, @andy Hall, and various others who gave us the inside scoop on the treasures inside. It also gave us a chance to get to know each other, which is what these things are all about, really. And if you really want it in your neck of the woods, why get to organizing and some of us might show up! (I personally am very interested in the Missouri/Arkansas idea, not only because of Ben McCulloch, but to tie in some genealogy with my battlefield traipsing around! And it's about as close to us as anything else...). So please don't feel your voice can't be heard--you just have to put forth the effort to suggest ideas and how we can get there, etc.

I am in totally agreement there could be two musters also perhaps a summer/spring and Fall/Winter one. That way if you can attend one you can attend the other or if you want you can attend both.

 

[Nathanb1]

I am in totally agreement there could be two musters also perhaps a summer/spring and Fall/Winter one. That way if you can attend one you can attend the other or if you want you can attend both.

Dealing with us is a lot like herding cats. We have one big one just because most of us can't do long trips at will--that should still, IMO, be the plan. But if the folks who are interested in the Trans-Miss want to have their own get-together, that can fit in nicely.

 

[gentlemanrob]

Dealing with us is a lot like herding cats. We have one big one just because most of us can't do long trips at will--that should still, IMO, be the plan. But if the folks who are interested in the Trans-Miss want to have their own get-together, that can fit in nicely.

I have helped organize and lead trips for high schoolers now that can be like herding cats.

 

[Nathanb1]

I have helped organize and lead trips for high schoolers now that can be like herding cats.

Absolutely! I did that with 4-H'ers and high school kids for 30+ years. Never lost one, but nearly lost my mind a couple of times!

 

[SWMODave]

For those suggesting Wilson's Creek, I might suggest this would be a better candidate for 2021. It will be the 160th anniversary of the battle, as well as the 200th anniversary of statehood for Missouri. The Visitor Center closed on November 1st, with an anticipated closure of 6 - 12 months.

Making plans now for next fall would carry a potential risk factor that much of what makes the park unique, might not be available. What you see if visiting in 2021 will be all new.

 

[gentlemanrob]

Lots of good trips proposed in my opinion. Someone's going to have a long drive or have to catch a plane no matter how this is viewed some of the proposed towns have airports some don't which means you have to rent a car. In some ways the fall works for people for those with jobs in education it might not. so it's a win and lose which ever trip wins. I would think it would be nice to have a town where you could bring your spouses. Weather is a big factor no one can control when picking these places because you never know what the weather is going to be. Some people may come to the trip some will probably stay at home. What matters is organization of the trip and even with the greatest organizer it don't always mean it's going to be a 100% success. I think having an area if you don't want to stay with the group the entire time you can go off and do your own thing is good. Some people for instance love ghost tours some don't. Some people enjoy houses and architecture some would rather go shopping. Some people can walk for days and some people have bad knees and are limited to the amount they can walk and that's where sometimes it's good to have a way to view sites while riding on a carriage or a trolley. Just my random thoughts.

 

[UCVRelics]

I have helped organize and lead trips for high schoolers now that can be like herding cats.

Be careful what you wish for as our group ain't nothing like high schoolers.

 

[gentlemanrob]

Be careful what you wish for as our group ain't nothing like high schoolers.

Well let's see I have helped organize Advance Placement (Gifted) History Students, Regular High Schoolers, Special Education Students, Shriners (2 time past President). So I mean I have seen it all in a way.

 

[archieclement]

Be careful what you wish for as our group ain't nothing like high schoolers.

I would just like to go somewhere I havent been, honestly I had done Vicksburg and Chatt/Chick with other groups before

 

[gentlemanrob]

I would just like to go somewhere I havent been, honestly I had done Vicksburg and Chatt/Chick with other groups before

I think there's going to be a pretty great list of places when the time for voting occurs. I have been reading some really great ideas.

 

[farmerjohn]

All reasons why I recommended that region for next years stop. As for Cane Hill I especially enjoy that place, though their complete disdain for their CW history is a headscratcher, they have no interest and focus on other periods, and folks get bent out of shape when a budget flick films CW stuff there. The CW battle of Cane Hill is literally the only thing noteworthy in that towns whole history.

My recent travels up yonder- https://civilwartalk.com/threads/cw-stops-on-a-work-trip.160306/

really? I dint now they had such a disdain for the civil war history of that town. why??? it is literally all they have there well, they also have that one house/building that was the first college in the state? or was it library, or both? not sure, been awhile. sa ya head south outta town and follow thw retreat of the southern forces, ya can see the retreat walls that the soldiers put up. [ loose rocks piled up]

 

[Zella]

they also have that one house/building that was the first college in the state? or was it library, or both?

Yeah it was the first college in the state, though it wouldn't surprise me if it also included the first library. I don't remember hearing about that, though. They do a bad job of advertising any of their history to the general public (in my humble opinion.)

 

[Ole Miss]

For those suggesting Wilson's Creek, I might suggest this would be a better candidate for 2021. It will be the 160th anniversary of the battle, as well as the 200th anniversary of statehood for Missouri. The Visitor Center closed on November 1st, with an anticipated closure of 6 - 12 months.

Making plans now for next fall would carry a potential risk factor that much of what makes the park unique, might not be available. What you see if visiting in 2021 will be all new.

Great heads up and suggestion for 2021. I really do like the Wilson's Creek Battlefield as it is very well marked, with a really nice Vistor's Center and it is small enough to study in one day. Highly recommed Wilson's Creek and Pea Ridge for 2021.
Regards
David

 

[Rusk County Avengers]

really? I dint now they had such a disdain for the civil war history of that town. why??? it is literally all they have there well, they also have that one house/building that was the first college in the state? or was it library, or both? not sure, been awhile. sa ya head south outta town and follow thw retreat of the southern forces, ya can see the retreat walls that the soldiers put up. [ loose rocks piled up]

Technically the building isn't the first one, that one got burnt to the ground by I think it was the 15th Kansas Cavalry during the war, though the 1st Indian Home Guard, (US), did thoroughly loot it after the Battle of Cane Hill, (they had to return books to the library they stole and a "electrical instrument"), but the two story wooden college was burnt to the ground and rebuilt after the war, with that rebuilt one being burned down later and the current building built around 1886-1887. The college as an institution was the first, but the buildings didn't survive the war. As another note, there is literally only one building that survived the war, and I think one outside of town in a different direction from the running battle. Almost all the structures are post-war, as the war wasn't kind to the town.

As for the disdain, I've personally been in contact with the organization that preserves and runs it, and they have ZERO interest in focusing on the war. No research, no reenactments, no archeology unless its something else and you stumble on something CW, no Living Histories, no nothing related to the CW. It bleeds over into people around there as well, just look at their FB page and read comments, most recent to come to my mind is a budget flick being filmed and people moaning an groaning about its CW preference.

 

[scone]

I'll go for that! @andy Hall can tell us about Captain Dave and the BAAAARRRRGGGE. And don't forget the Confederates who went to Havana after the war...

Wonder if any went to Puerto Rico

 

[Podad]

I haven't been to the previous CWT invasion events. Life gets in the way sometimes.

However, I plan to join the ranks of retired folks in May. That should at least make available time.

I am reading along very interestingly.

 

[Drew]

I always thought DC would be interesting with monuments and museums, Smithsonian and even WH.........but keeping a group together with traffic/parking ect.................

There is tons of stuff to see in DC for sure and believe it or not, some of the Union defenses of the city are still preserved and worth the effort to see. You are right though, it would have to be a bus tour, there is no way to keep a car caravan together. It's also prohibitively expensive in terms of lodging and meals for many, if not most.

I will vote for a more manageable option when the ballots are handed out!

 

[farmerjohn]

Technically the building isn't the first one, that one got burnt to the ground by I think it was the 15th Kansas Cavalry during the war, though the 1st Indian Home Guard, (US), did thoroughly loot it after the Battle of Cane Hill, (they had to return books to the library they stole and a "electrical instrument"), but the two story wooden college was burnt to the ground and rebuilt after the war, with that rebuilt one being burned down later and the current building built around 1886-1887. The college as an institution was the first, but the buildings didn't survive the war. As another note, there is literally only one building that survived the war, and I think one outside of town in a different direction from the running battle. Almost all the structures are post-war, as the war wasn't kind to the town.

As for the disdain, I've personally been in contact with the organization that preserves and runs it, and they have ZERO interest in focusing on the war. No research, no reenactments, no archeology unless its something else and you stumble on something CW, no Living Histories, no nothing related to the CW. It bleeds over into people around there as well, just look at their FB page and read comments, most recent to come to my mind is a budget flick being filmed and people moaning an groaning about its CW preference.

typical Arkansas closed minded thinking. and I live here!. took 'em forever to decide to let grownups to be able to buy lottery tickets[ as in having a state lottery] oh, also, theres 2 major universities u of a, and, ark state. but do they play each other???? no!! every other state that has 2 or more in state, play ea. other, but oh no not in Arkansas!!

 

[Zella]

typical Arkansas closed minded thinking. and I live here!. took 'em forever to decide to let grownups to be able to buy lottery tickets[ as in having a state lottery] oh, also, theres 2 major universities u of a, and, ark state. but do they play each other???? no!! every other state that has 2 or more in state, play ea. other, but oh no not in Arkansas!!

I live in Arkansas, too, and actually forget Arkansas State has a team. As badly as the Razorbacks are doing right now,it might be for the best if I forget they exist too.