Native ( Indian) portrayals?

[Dullknife]

 

[Dullknife]

Sorry...I took this from a previous thread. Its interesting that it dhoes him wearing a traditional piece if Cherokee clothing....what looks like a woven and beaded sash around his waste....

 

[Dullknife]

Atoka Museum Arrow Point - Choctaw Nation Cultural Services

 

[Dullknife]

Found this article from Harpers Weekly, November of 1861. It describes an an encampment of Delaware Indian scout serving Gen. James Lane.


"GEN. LANE AND HIS ARMY.
OUR artist with the army in Missouri, Mr. Alexander Simplot, lately visited the Camp of General Jim Lane, the famous Kansas General, the terror of Missouri, and has sent us the sketches which we reproduce on the preceding page. The correspondent of the New York Times, who accompanied him, thus describes the General, the Indian Scouts, and the Camp :
Lane is a man of some fifty years of age, of medium height, and at first sight rather unprepossessing. His figure is slight, his head wide at the top and narrowing down to the jaw, like an inverted pyramid; his brow wide and high; his eyes small, black, and overhung by cliff-like eyebrows ; his mouth sensual, and, combined with a gleam of fun in his eyes, has an expression of great good-humor and enjoyment that wins one irresistibly to the conclusion that he is the best fellow in the world. His hair is thin, slightly tinged with gray, and shoved away from his head in every direction, as if he had just come in from running bareheaded against a strong wind. In conversation he is ready, full of a rollicking sort of humor; and, in short, in his whole style of conversation, his looks, etc., reminded me of some Joe Bagstock Nero fiddling and laughing over the burning of some Missourian Rome.
Proceeding a few hundred yards below Lane's encampment, I came upon another of a different character. Huge fires blazed up, throwing great flashes of light upon the brown autumn woods, and making a play-ground for fantastic shadows across the prairie and the woodland, around which lay in supreme indolence, or sat comfortably inhaling the fragrant weed, a motley crowd of aborigines. I soon had the honor of taking by the hand a copper-colored gentleman, who, stretched upon his right side before the genial fire, was inhaling tobacco-smoke through the handle of his tomahawk, and who rejoiced in the expressive title of Wa-ne-pagh-kugh. He replied to my " Good-morning, Sir; glad and happy to make your acquaintance," with a guttural "Ugh?" and the Indian salutation "How." After addressing a few remarks to him, to which he listened with profound attention, I found that he did not know a word of English, and turned my attention to other braves. I next had the honor of an introduction to a gentleman in ministerial black, with a tall "plug hat," from which towered upward a dozen peacock and goose feathers, who, I was informed, was John Conners, head Chief of the Delawares. Mr. Conners indulged in a slight knowledge of English, and, after the usual commonplaces, I left him, and was presented to a little, good-looking young fellow in citizen's dress, who, I was informed, was John Johnnycake, interpreter of the Delaware braves. John Johnnycake, Req., I found to be a young gentleman of great intelligence and modesty, and who spoke most excellently both English and French, and I suppose also the Delaware vernacular.
He informed me that Wa-ne-pagh-kugh was war-chief of the Delawares; that there were 54 of his tribe in the field; that they were armed with tomahawks, scalping-knives, and rifles ; that their principal business was scouting; and that almost all of the crowd had good horses, and had accompanied General Fremont once before in some of his expeditions across the plains and over the mountains. Mr. Johnnycake (whose Indian name I did not learn) stated that a much larger force from his tribe would soon take the field, and also that delegations from various other Indian tribes in Kansas would soon unite their arms and lives with the Union cause."

Missouri in the Civil War

Genral Lane's Civil War camp in Missourie

www.sonofthesouth.net

 

[archieclement]

Missouri Life had an article on Natives in ACW in Missouri, part of text
"American Indian troops often modified almost every aspect of military life, including uniforms, drills, and the personal use of government issued weapons. Sometimes subtly incorporating tribal symbols, and sometimes rejecting all military garb and equipment. These acts would have drew severe punishment for white troops. But there was a dire need for manpower in the army, so military commanders accepted the Indians behavior in exchange for the valuable service they provided, especially as scouts. Some observers ridiculed the appearance of Indian troops as "comical and ludicrous".

Article had sketch correspondent drew for Leslie's of 1861 Deleware scouts camp recruited by Fremont.

 

[archieclement]

So imagine a portrayal of 1861-2 anything period white or native, or a Mish mash of both would probally be fairly accurate.

Later in war would think because of their becoming used to military, likely some increased discipline, and most importantly more supplies of regular issue gear they would became more recognizable as either Union or Confederate soldiers. But don't think most ever completely gave up some individually.

Note on increased discipline the Union eventually replaced native officers with white.

 

[RobertBruceFerguson]

There plenty of photographs of American Indians who participated in the War. I've been studying Indians during this war for 13 years now and have plenty of images.

 

[RobertBruceFerguson]

Some images of Choctaw, Caddo, Seminole, and Cherokee:

Unknown Choctaw. Unknown Choctaw. Unknown Choctaw.

Unknown.

Caddo.

Chickasaw.

Cherokees in D.C. in 1866.

 

[RobertBruceFerguson]

@Dullknife, you might to check out this link: Native Americans during the War.

 

[archieclement]

Some people are fine with white people wearing blackface. Others not so much.

Mixed blood is actually mixed blood, and certainly not representing of only one racial depiction......I assume of pure bloods? Which then begs of which race being pure.........

 

[Dullknife]

Looking for people that do native portrayals | Reenactors Forum - Join, Drill, See the Elephant

Hello, I am interested in furthering a portrayal of a native (aka Indian) involved with the conflict. Thought it might be cool to portray someone who was a member if a homeguard unit out west. I have some information to draw from. My problem is no one here in Massachusetts does such a portrayal...

civilwartalk.com

Ok....whats your point of posting this?

 

[East Tennessee Roots]

Ok....whats your point of posting this?

I posted it in April 2019. I suppose I was under the impression the thread had to do with Native Americans & the Civil War. Is there a problem?

 

[52ndFandS]

RECOLLECTIONS OF THE GREAT WAR

Written by AW Sparks....

In Chapter 5..we learn about Cooper' Indians..... "The Indian warriors, as I noticed were
well supplied with rations, and rode small ponies and were dressed in a garb ranging from a common gent's suit to a breech clout and blanket, most of the full bloods wore only the latter"

"their faces were painted in such a manner that many of them were frightful to even look upon, there seemed to be no particular design in the manner of their painting, but each one seemed to have been painted according to
according to the fancy of the artist"




"and some were painted black down to the eyes, then the balance of the
face red, and many hideous looking faces told of desperate purposes,
but if any of them bespoke any rank or had special meaning I failed to
learn them. Some had head coverings that were the skins from the
heads of buffalo, bear, panthers, cougars, calves, etc., and quite a
number wore the horns taken off with the hide of buffalo, and others
wore no head covering, only a single feather like it might be plucked
from the tail of a turkey, eagle, buzzard, or anything else that the
wearer might fancy. I noticed one old warrior on foot who carried a
long full stock rifle, he wore leggings and mockasins in addition to
his breech clout and a feather about four feet long that had been
taken from the tail of a peafowl was his complete wardrobe. He only
spoke one word in English and that was, No! We called him "Old Pap"
and he answered to the name with his positive No! to anything that was
spoken to him. There were quite a number of squaws that were among
the warriors in camps but how they traveled and when, I never learned
the Indians. No matter how full or scant his apparel was sure to have
the badge of red and blue on his arm. Their arms were as varied as
their apparel and were old rifle, guns and bows and arrows mostly, and
in this motleyed assembly we marched upon the enemy, a force I
suppose, all toll, would number from 2500 to 2800 men."

But all this is racist and made up right???? Guess the guy just felt like lying for some reason?

Begs the question however, how do you want your impression to be? Nothing against it mind you but you're narrowing your impression. Seeing as there probably are not as many Native American civil war reenactors you might be holding yourself back.

 

[52ndFandS]

Some images of Choctaw, Caddo, Seminole, and Cherokee:

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Unknown Choctaw. Unknown Choctaw. Unknown Choctaw.
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Unknown.
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Caddo.
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Chickasaw.
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Cherokees in D.C. in 1866.

Quite a few wearing civilian garb.

 

[johan_steele]

Mixed blood is actually mixed blood, and certainly not representing of only one racial depiction......I assume of pure bloods? Which then begs of which race being pure.........

The term is Wannabe or Iwishiwas.

 

[Story]

The term is Wannabe or Iwishiwas.

The tribe portrayed in the post-war docudrama "F TROOP" was originally named the Fugawi.

 

[archieclement]

The term is Wannabe or Iwishiwas.

Guess wanting non historical representation of just pureblood would be a wannabe or Iwishitwas representation, as it wouldn't be actually accurate, as natives and whites had intermingled for centuries by ACW.

 

[captaindrew]

The tribe portrayed in the post-war docudrama "F TROOP" was originally named the Fugawi.
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One of my favorites!

 

[johan_steele]

Guess wanting non historical representation of just pureblood would be a wannabe or Iwishitwas representation, as it wouldn't be actually accurate, as natives and whites had intermingled for centuries by ACW.

Nah, I'm just tired of White people wanting to be something they aren't. Some people are fine with people pretending to be something they're not. Simply stolen valor with a different target. That you might encourage such is expected.

The term Natives use is Iwishiwas and Wannabe… oddly they seem less appreciative of such than you do. Likely because they are the ones feeling insulted.

 

[Kurtlg]

Nah, I'm just tired of White people wanting to be something they aren't. Some people are fine with people pretending to be something they're not. Simply stolen valor with a different target. That you might encourage such is expected.

The term Natives use is Iwishiwas and Wannabe… oddly they seem less appreciative of such than you do. Likely because they are the ones feeling insulted.

I have seen the term pretendian.