Native ( Indian) portrayals?

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Because white Officers and some NCOs are historically correct , not so much white rifle rotters and string pullers in the ranks.
As well certainly in Union Indian units after first year of the war

Disappointed with dress/uniformity/discipline in Native Units, the Union replaced their leadership. Initially Native were formed like USCT, white officer corp but Native NCO.......

"By fall of 1862, the Army had replaced most of the Indian officers with white noncommissioned officers from other units to instill army discipline into the Indian regiments. All three regiments were organized to form the Indian Brigade. Increased drilling improved their performance and in spring of 1863, brigade commander William A. Phillips remarked that he was satisfied that all three regiments had become effective fighting units."
 
There seems to be relatively few Native American Civil War reenactors. I wonder how the subject is handled by native American Colonial war / French and Indian war reenactors ? I have seen many over the years in Michigan , Pennsylvania and upstate New York.
 
There seems to be relatively few Native American Civil War reenactors. I wonder how the subject is handled by native American Colonial war / French and Indian war reenactors ? I have seen many over the years in Michigan , Pennsylvania and upstate New York.
From fur trader rendezvous I've seen, often white reenacters. Certainly with Native depictions face/body paints can make it less noticable, particularly from distance.

Here's a photo the Smithsonian labeled a man of partial Indian descent. Appears more Caucasian in race to me, but do you really want to argue ones heritige/ethnicity with volunteer participants? For a hobby who suffers from lack of participants to begin with, would think seems rather silly.


 
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Actually accounts would show them not being able to fall in with regular CS units.

For example Native conduct at Pea Ridge was unlike other troops. And as far as dress, it would depend on what point of the war.
NH Gal doesnt know what she is talking about apparently.
 
I was attempting to be helpful in the most civil way I could when seeing your posts. Though I can often be overly blunt. (And yes I get lectured everyday about that!)

I would suggest a good reading of "A Creek Warrior for the Confederacy" as a great place to illustrate your relying on common old stereotypes regarding CW era Indians. It was written by a Captain in one of those regiments named George Washington Grayson. He didn't even write it for publication but for his descendants, who published it later much to what I imagined would've been a headache to him by his writings.

His first hand accounts are hands down the most valuable resource for what you wish to undertake, (if you wish to do it right and not how you want to think how they were) and as I recall offhand, there's even mention of how some of the men attempted to make moccasins, but had laughable results because it was literally a lost skill to them. He makes many, many mentions of how he and others would try to remember skills and things old timers taught them when they were little, but always to laughable results because they were not roaming Natives at all any more. Most of them tended to be literate, and WAY more educated than whites due to the tribes in the nations having publicly funded schools for all children, something whites didn't even have at that time, and the Nations sending all they're best students to colleges in Arkansas on the Nation's dime whether they liked or not. They were more like modern Americans than anyone else in the CW!:rofl:

No, they were NOT savages in tipis, they had frame houses, hewn log cabins, towns with stores, and so much else. Sure they may have at times imitated stuff like war paint, but such actions were colored by then-modern stereotypes than anything historical, much like the white propaganda North and South, (though primarily North…) saying they were savages.

Heck after the Battle of Cane Hill in Arkansas, Federal officers found the college there had had a lot of the college books and "an electrical gadget" looted by soldiers of the 3rd Indian Home Guard! And they found the men reading them to take home! White Northern or Southern troops would've looted other items, but the Indians books to read…
("Fields of Blood: The Prairie Grove Campaign" by William Shea is another excellent resource I'd recommend for your studies. I am a bit biased as to me and my opinions it's the most engaging and enjoyable read of any CW book.)

I earnestly wish you luck in your endeavors, I really do. But if you wish to cling to racist old stereotypes, please don't call yourself historically correct. I've no wish to stand in the way of anyone's fun, but if real history matters to you, not Hollywierd history, please research yourself. A good researcher and reenactor always twists opinions to suit facts, instead of facts to suit opinions.
You come off like an assuming misinformed ***.
 
Can you tell me who wrote this account?
Off hand no, looked up accounts over a year ago in the thread. Have multiple books on T-M from overviews, campaigns that included Natives as well one or two Watie bios.

It may have been Hess's book on Pea Ridge as at various times it includes natives that would participate in campaign.

Edit looking back in thread, it's a series of accounts I posted, in last I noted Stand Waties Confederate Indians for accounts, though not sure if applied to all three I had posted.
 
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NH Gal doesnt know what she is talking about apapparently.
Certainly not sure I'd go that far, as seem to rely on eastern Indians.

There's seems a segment that objects to anything they consider stereotypes or that it's somehow offensive.....However certainly with "western" Indians at the time in Indian Territory and Kansas, it's not unusual to find accounts of mismatched dress, poor discipline, and uniformity compared to "regular" troops particularly early in the war traditional or native/civilian dress was incorporated. Certainly the use of feathers as adornment was noted. Which the objection to always seems particularly humorous to me.......I suppose JEB Stuart's plumed hat is offensive and objectionable as well:bounce: Or is it only natives that were not supposed to see feathers as a source for adornment?

To be fair, it's not unique to Natives, though perhaps a little more noticable because of cultural differences. But certainly early in the war many western milita based and hastily raised units had varying dress and uniformity as well. As well frontiersmen tended to share a bit of individualism as well I think. Certainly due to supply shortages and difficulties, irregular appearance persisted longer in the west, as it tended to be bottom of supply priority, and natives would be among the lowest of those in west as well. Racism would favored white troops in priority.

Alot of images I've seen, frequently include Union gear as well for Waties men, like guerrillas they indeed likely supplemented gear with captures.
 
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There were a lot of Mixed Bloods especially in the Officer Corps of the Cherokee siding with the South. Marriage between Cherokee and Whites had been going on for years per- Trail of Tears. Many of the Mixed Bloods also brought their slaves from NC. Ga etc.
As far as uniforms, the Cherokee were at the tail end of those units who were scheduled to be issued anything and Pike was none to pestering with his requests. Prior to Pea Ridge some undyed uniforms meant for Waite's Cherokee Mounted Rifled was redirected to a portion of Price's MSG
 
NH Gal doesnt know what she is talking about apparently.
I can assure you that @NH Civil War Gal knows what she is talking about and calling long time respected members like @johan_steele and @Rusk County Avengers names is not the way we do things around here. You ask for thoughts and opinions and you got them. If you disagree that's fine, you're welcome to voice your own opinions and contrary evidence, that's how we learn from each other. But lashing out at other members is not going to continue. As host of this forum I ask that you keep it civil or I'll ask the moderators to lock this thread. Thank you.
 
So its ok for me to be insulted and I cant defend myself?

I can be civil too just not going to be a punching bag.

Fine...lets learn from each other...but when someone equates me with with being a wanbabe or practicing the equivalent of blackface....I lose respect for them....
 
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Uh-huh…

You quoted a post from God knows how long ago to throw insults. At someone who walked away from the thread some time ago….

Good luck in your endeavors.
Thank you. As always your input welcome. Thought you might have appreciated an honest response.

Good luck in your endeavors as well.

You have lots of company high up on that pedastal it would seem.
 
This is a Military Uniforms in America plate from 1991 published by the Company of Military Historians and Collectors.

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Being one of the earliest serious studies on the subject, I am assuming many people broke their teeth on this uniform plate. It should be remembered that this uniform plate is not a complete study of Native American Confederate soldiers but only the 2nd Cherokee Regiment of Mounted Rifles. while fairly self explanatory, would anyone be interested in the descriptive text?
 
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Here is the text for 2nd Cherokee Regiment of Mounted Rifles, C.S.A. 1861 - 1865 of the Military Uniforms in America series from the Company of Military Historians and Collectors.

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Tom James did the art and Fitzhugh McMaster the text. In 1991 it was probably one of the first serious looks by and accomplished uniform researcher and artist. To fit on one page the text is a bit short so it could fit in the Journal (magazine). Additional research has been done since 1991, but many uniform buffs base probably used this work as a basis for additional uniform studies.
 
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