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[uaskme]

It was the Forrest family who made that decision, not the SCV.

The family had two major requirements for any new burial location:
- adequate security to protect against vandalism
- the equestrian monument would be restored over their resting place

Elmwood Cemetery - where the Forrests were originally buried - was willing to have them placed back in their original plots, but not able to put the monument over that plot and unwilling to provide for additional security against potential vandalism.

The SCV offered to provide space at our HQ property & the family accepted that offer. The Forrests were reburied at SCV HQ in September 2021; funds are being raised to reerect the equestrian monument & plaza over the new gravesite.

Here are a few pics of the new site. Guy in dark T shirt is a direct descendant of Dr Cowan who was part of NBFs staff. Guy with vest did a mini muster for him in middle TN. Forum member @gipratt. They are standing on the graves/base for the monument. SCV Museum is in the background,

 

[JonnyReb_In_MI]

Hopefully you can move south in retirement!

That's the plan, if the Lord is willing. I have a place down in southeast Kentucky where I visit several times a year, and it has been passed down through the years from the ancestor I joined the SCV under. I can see his grave from my porch there, plus those of every line in that branch of my family down to me; it's where my bones will also rest one day.

 

[uaskme]

The uneducated majority doesn't know what or who was dug up and they don't even care. But you can be sure they weren't vandalized any Yankees graves/. Monuments.iThev Yankees that burnt Atlanta and the rest of the state and began to burn South Carolina. I read that the Yankees having crossed the Savannah River made their way North and came across a beautiful church. The pastor had recently passed . The Yankees wanted the preacher to watch them burn his church to the ground. When they found out he was dead they dug him up and propped the casket open so he could see his own church burn down!! Weren't they special

Here is evidence of Sherman burning a Church. Not long after crossing the Savannah River. Know a past Preacher of the rebuilt church. What happens when you put all the vandals in the Army and tell them to make SC pay or whatever. They were Egalitarian. Stole from Blacks and Whites. Poor and Rich.

 

[Rusk County Avengers]

If I used your own standard of research and applied it to what you have said regarding SCV history, I might come to the conclusion that anything you say historically can't be trusted...

As you have shown in your posts over the years, you have a major grudge against the SCV; I won't make a call as to whether it's justified or not, but I do know the organization is FAR from perfect and not every grudge is baseless. This grudge does seem to cloud your judgement in all discussion pertaining to the organization, though.

I'll be the first to say that the internal politics of the SCV is extremely frustrating at times, and there have been some folks who have held high positions of power who were not honorable men, but nothing will ever get better if all the good people leave or they get so frustrated that they say/do something rash enough to get kicked out. The original veterans gave their mantle to the SCV to carry on their work, and I think it's worth pressing on to keep it going in spite of my own personal issues I might have.

I personally prefer to not discuss internal SCV problems on public forums; if you'd be interested & willing to talk privately let me know.

I know my worth on studying, many here know as well. I don't care to pat myself on the back, but I know when I'm right, and I'm not afraid to speak up. As for a "grudge" I'll admit I don't care for them, I don't care for any frauds, but I never let my judgement be clouded by feelings, just shaped by events and I act accordingly.

And when it comes to the SCV, too many jump to their defense because they're "Confederate" and Confederate history needs to be defended. But the sad fact is, they're mindset and corruption makes them as big an enemy to our heritage as any other group and so on.

To hide such things in private only empowers the bad actors, and they know it. This why it's their policy to "encourage" members to do that, bu the truth is:

The world needs to see not all of us that "defend the Confederacy" are like them.

Especially when they got too many good folks snowed, or hoodwinked, or any other term for it.

 

[Desert Kid]

I have been a member since 2022. But worked with my local chapter as a non-member for years, since early 2012.

My camp is the largest in Arizona, a whopping 30-odd members, and we have a very cowboy's attitude about us. Because, my camp is in charge of graves in two counties (arguably three, since the two camps in Cochise County are in bad shape), and so state leadership and the Trans-Mississippi Department like to check up on us alot. Basically all we do at meetings is bicker and fight about headstones, what local parades we are participating in and camp funds. The relocation of the Arizona Confederate Veterans Memorial that once stood in the state capitol in Phoenix was relocated here and it was a pain in the azz to restore, because it destroyed a granite base flanked by three pieces of petrified wood, which is NOT cheap. We have rubs with state leadership sometimes because two veterans are buried in far northeastern Cochise County, which is closer to my town than it is to Tombstone or Sierra Vista, and maintaining the graves belongs to those camps but...nobody in those two camps is close enough like we are or able bodied and young enough to do it, so we took upon ourselves to go do it.

This experience has taught me that the Federal government and state government can't be trusted, and our county government is stupid at best. And at best we are overlooked by the SCV's national leadership. We are on our own here where I'm at.

I've basically been in charge of registering graves out in the desert. I mean seriously, I had zero clue we had 4 Confederate veterans buried in that dusty hole out in the desert 5 miles outside of town where I grew up.

 

[JonnyReb_In_MI]

I know my worth on studying, many here know as well. I don't care to pat myself on the back, but I know when I'm right, and I'm not afraid to speak up. As for a "grudge" I'll admit I don't care for them, I don't care for any frauds, but I never let my judgement be clouded by feelings, just shaped by events and I act accordingly.

And when it comes to the SCV, too many jump to their defense because they're "Confederate" and Confederate history needs to be defended. But the sad fact is, they're mindset and corruption makes them as big an enemy to our heritage as any other group and so on.

To hide such things in private only empowers the bad actors, and they know it. This why it's their policy to "encourage" members to do that, bu the truth is:

The world needs to see not all of us that "defend the Confederacy" are like them.

Especially when they got too many good folks snowed, or hoodwinked, or any other term for it.

You say that keeping things in-house "empowers the bad actors," but my experience is that airing out dirty laundry in public is never a good thing unless it is the business of the public (government business or laws being broken). I've never seen any good come from it in a family, church or other organization; it hurts everyone - the good actors more than the bad - and it completely tears down all of the good that is being done.

Nobody from outside of the organization can do a single thing to fix any internal SCV issues, but they can do a whole lot to tear the organization down. I am not jumping to defend; I am acknowledging that there are issues that need to be addressed, but I'm also saying it's better to solve problems from within rather than tearing down the entire thing.

 

[G Low]

Citation needed.

Ok maybe I got off some But on page 46~47 of Spring 1865 by Perry D. Jamison it reads " Among them was Christ Episcopal Church in the north west corner of town. In a macabre act of vandalism, Union soldiers dug up a coffin in the church yard cemetery, opened it, and propped it up so that the corpse could "watch" the burning of the sanctuary." There is a citation in this book . I suggest you look it up, I'm getting old but I knew I had read something about this. But you can say "well it wasn't the preacher so that's ok"?

 

[Rusk County Avengers]

You say that keeping things in-house "empowers the bad actors," but my experience is that airing out dirty laundry in public is never a good thing unless it is the business of the public (government business or laws being broken). I've never seen any good come from it in a family, church or other organization; it hurts everyone - the good actors more than the bad - and it completely tears down all of the good that is being done.

Nobody from outside of the organization can do a single thing to fix any internal SCV issues, but they can do a whole lot to tear the organization down. I am not jumping to defend; I am acknowledging that there are issues that need to be addressed, but I'm also saying it's better to solve problems from within rather than tearing down the entire thing.

When has that worked?

You know without people trying to solve things or following to the charge or anything the leadership doesn't like being r-u-n-n-o-f-t

Never.

 

[G Low]

Citation needed.

Ok here's a citation read pages 46thru 47 from the book Spring 1865 you will find "In a macabre act of vandalism, Union soldiers dug up a coffin in the church yard cemetery, opened it, and propped it up so that the corpse could "watch" the burning of the sanctuary." My mind is old but I guess you can say it wasn't a preacher, so that makes it ok ?

 

[G Low]

Here is evidence of Sherman burning a Church. Not long after crossing the Savannah River. Know a past Preacher of the rebuilt church. What happens when you put all the vandals in the Army and tell them to make SC pay or whatever. They were Egalitarian. Stole from Blacks and Whites. Poor and Rich.

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It took me all night and half the day to find this, if you read f from the book spring 1865 you will find on pages 46 through 47 these lines. " among them was Christ Episcopal Church in the north west corner of the town. In a macabre act of vandalism, union soldiers dug up a coffin in the church yard cemetery opened it and propped it up so that the corpse could watch the burning of the sanctuary." I knew I read about this somewhere but Some people will say that was OK because it wasn't the preacher

 

[G Low]

I have been a member since 2022. But worked with my local chapter as a non-member for years, since early 2012.

My camp is the largest in Arizona, a whopping 30-odd members, and we have a very cowboy's attitude about us. Because, my camp is in charge of graves in two counties (arguably three, since the two camps in Cochise County are in bad shape), and so state leadership and the Trans-Mississippi Department like to check up on us alot. Basically all we do at meetings is bicker and fight about headstones, what local parades we are participating in and camp funds. The relocation of the Arizona Confederate Veterans Memorial that once stood in the state capitol in Phoenix was relocated here and it was a pain in the azz to restore, because it destroyed a granite base flanked by three pieces of petrified wood, which is NOT cheap. We have rubs with state leadership sometimes because two veterans are buried in far northeastern Cochise County, which is closer to my town than it is to Tombstone or Sierra Vista, and maintaining the graves belongs to those camps but...nobody in those two camps is close enough like we are or able bodied and young enough to do it, so we took upon ourselves to go do it.

This experience has taught me that the Federal government and state government can't be trusted, and our county government is stupid at best. And at best we are overlooked by the SCV's national leadership. We are on our own here where I'm at.

I've basically been in charge of registering graves out in the desert. I mean seriously, I had zero clue we had 4 Confederate veterans buried in that dusty hole out in the desert 5 miles outside of town where I grew up.

Thank God for dedicated workers like you

 

[G Low]

Thank God for dedicated workers like you

Here is one of my gg grandfathers grave. He doesn't have a military marker only an iron cross . I guess that's e enough unless someone steals it

 

[JonnyReb_In_MI]

When has that worked?

You know without people trying to solve things or following to the charge or anything the leadership doesn't like being r-u-n-n-o-f-t

Never.

Nine times out of ten, a person only gets "r-u-n-n-o-f-t" if they choose to run OR they let their emotions lead them into discarding wisdom in handling problems.

The organization has gotten better, certainly from where it was in the 1990s. Is there more work to be done? Always, and there will be so long as it's made of of imperfect human beings.

... and that's where I'm gonna leave it on this topic. As I said before, we can discuss in private if you wish to discuss it further with me.

 

[NH Civil War Gal]

this certainly has made the time pass.

I feel sorry for @7th Texas Mounted Rifles getting his thread derailed. He deserves an apology for that.

And there is plenty of tit-for-tat atrocities to go around so I think that is not helpful for any discussion about fraternal groups.

No knowledge is being gained but plenty of feelings are being stirred up.

 

[G Low]

this certainly has made the time pass.

I feel sorry for @7th Texas Mounted Rifles getting his thread derailed. He deserves an apology for that.

And there is plenty of tit-for-tat atrocities to go around so I think that is not helpful for any discussion about fraternal groups.

No knowledge is being gained but plenty of feelings are being stirred up.

@ NH CWG sorry about my earlier rants I sometimes get off track/topics especially if I think someone thinks I'm making this up/ or lying

 

[G Low]

@ NH CWG sorry about my earlier rants I sometimes get off track/topics especially if I think someone thinks I'm making this up/ or lying

Call it southern pride , That's all my confederate ancestors had when they laid down their arms. I like to think some of that passed down to me

 

[JackADriscoll]

To get this thread back on track a little what can SCV do to bring members back in? My boss is scv and he won an award from them. He had it turned so that you have to be sitting at his desk to see it.

 

[NH Civil War Gal]

To get this thread back on track a little what can SCV do to bring members back in? My boss is scv and he won an award from them. He had it turned so that you have to be sitting at his desk to see it.

What kind of award?

 

[JackADriscoll]

What kind of award?

Public service

 

[Pollaco]

None of the smaller towns or even every county has a SCV camp down here. I drive over 30 miles to attend our monthly meetings.I personally don't mind, I guess you'd call that being dedicated.I can not see most others especially young folks doing that. That's another thing that puzzles me, most other members are only a hop, skip, and a jump away but rarely show up. Too inconvenient I guess.Oh I'm one of those "old farts", I'm 74.