SCV Poll

[JonnyReb_In_MI]

I am a fervent lifelong denier of states rights, Founding Fathers opinions on the matter be damned. States are a convenient way to delineate levels of government. Country, state, county, and city might as well be army, corps, division, and company.

Sovereignty is supreme - wars, treaties, citizenship - or nonexistent.

As you said in your response to my earlier comment... "And therein lies the rub."

No wonder you hold the strong opinions that you do regarding the Confederacy and organizations that honor it, as you hold a very different view of the nature of the Union from the view of most of those who put it together.

 

[NH Civil War Gal]

NH (live free or die) would understand about states rights. And how Texans feel

The whole quote is: Live free or die because death is not the worst of all evils. But no, we aren't particularly big on states rights the way Texas is. But as a New Englander with very old roots, we all kind of just know you guys are still having teething troubles!

 

[G Low]

I don't think you should ever be ashamed of your CSA ancestors. I like most of them! I find a lot of them to be men of honor. I don't always understand the decisions the highly educated made from the military institutes like West Point after taking their oaths, but sometimes I do.

Then you have the low bred ones, the common ugly ones, the users and abusers - but guess what - the Northerners did too and I think in equal numbers.

And a great many in between ones. I find it fascinating that the War made a Nathan Bedford Forrest. Without the War he would have just been a slave trader, probably forever, if slave trading were to continue. His wife and the War changed him and for the better. I would be deathly afraid to meet him but I admire a lot about him. I greatly admire Mosby and have read a great deal about him. I would never be ashamed of these people or the lowly soldier doing his best just to survive.

My husband has both sides in his ancestry and a breeding plantation in his ancestry which he is not proud of. I don't think I'd point to that with pride either, but my husband didn't make it or contribute to it. But it is what it is and we learn from it and move on. But he sure isn't going to take a pledge hoping it will come back either.

Read up on Bill Forrest (NFB's brother ) (also a cousin ) it was said He (Bill) was the only man Bedford was afraid of.

 

[G Low]

The whole quote is: Live free or die because death is not the worst of all evils. But no, we aren't particularly big on states rights the way Texas is. But as a New Englander with very old roots, we all kind of just know you guys are still having teething troubles!

Having your relatives dug up ain't teething troubles. And my roots are just as old as yours or anybodies for that matter!

 

[G Low]

That's why we have Rhode Island!

Yes Providence as it was!!! Got kinfolk buried there too.

 

[G Low]

But as a New Englander with very old roots, we all kind of just know you guys are still having teething troubles!

just how old are your roots? here is one of my ancestors

 

[G Low]

The whole quote is: Live free or die because death is not the worst of all evils. But no, we aren't particularly big on states rights the way Texas is. But as a New Englander with very old roots, we all kind of just know you guys are still having teething troubles!

I had a post before this talking about how we(confederate descendants) are a Minority, and I reread your post and find "you guys " is that the same as you people?

 

[G Low]

Nobody should be digging up or removing anything - ever. Things should have been left and have other placques and information added for more context. I honestly don't know who the hate groups are but it ain't me, a Yankee.

But you alluded to that Yankees didn't think Southerners had fought or knew that Southerners had for for the American Revolution or people now don't realize that - something along those lines - or they aren't learning about the Civil War or American Revolution and learning about the part the Southern states played in it.

I'm going to let you in on something - Plato said something along the lines that "kids these days are no dam good" and he's right. I still work full time but… as a retired NH Election Official - "First In The Nation Primary" and all that? I left in 12/21 after many years doing this - the last BIG election I registered people, I lost count of how many 18 and 20-year-olds who had to call mummy or daddy to find out what city and state where they were born - literally. I never thought I would see the day THAT happened! I live in a college town, presumably they filled out a college application and financial aid paperwork.

It wasn't the majority of kids but an awful lot of them - from college. If they can't be bothered to know what city/state they were born in, I doubt very much they are interested in any military history in general - never mind the BIG reasons about ANY war. So don't look to that group for help for anything. Edited: They aren't digging up anything either. They are too busy playing on their phones.

I understand about the young people of recent times. I worked for the Postal service for 32 years. I saw the work force go to pot. We were having to split routes to cover for employees laying out. I asked my sub why he didn't care that he was misdelivering mail and packages he said he wasn't paid enough to care.nothing was done because we had no replacements. Then came Covid , there was no shutting down the PO . Then they wouldn't work at all . I got my thirty + years and got out in 2021.

 

[Josh The Lighthouse Guy]

Confederates believed that States voluntarily joined the Union, and that States had the right to leave the Union.

I'm aware they believed that. I think they were wrong.

Having your relatives dug up ain't teething troubles.

In all the debates on monuments and flags, the only burials that got moved (or to my knowledge were even suggested of being moved) were M/M NBF, who were buried in a park and were moved to a cemetery. Where they should have been buried in the first place.

 

[G Low]

Back to topic , as

I understand about the young people of recent times. I worked for the Postal service for 32 years. I saw the work force go to pot. We were having to split routes to cover for employees laying out. I asked my sub why he didn't care that he was misdelivering mail and packages he said he wasn't paid enough to care.nothing was done because we had no replacements. Then came Covid , there was no shutting down the PO . Then they wouldn't work at all . I got my thirty + years and got out in 2021.

Back to topic , I never was a joiner however I was made to go to children of confederacy meetings. It wasn't bad because the old Lady whose House we met at always had toasted pecans afterwards Everyone called her Aunt Dellie . However I did join my postal union . My dad and grandad were all for unions (not union) these are some of my grandfathers union cards. The oldest I found was 1921. Anyway I m retired and would rather use my time doing other things.

 

[JonnyReb_In_MI]

In all the debates on monuments and flags, the only burials that got moved (or to my knowledge were even suggested of being moved) were M/M NBF, who were buried in a park and were moved to a cemetery. Where they should have been buried in the first place.

Gen. William Wing Loring & Gen. Ambrose Powell Hill were also moved... and the Forrests were moved to SCV HQ (not a cemetery).

 

[Pollaco]

I had a post before this talking about how we(confederate descendants) are a Minority, and I reread your post and find "you guys " is that the same as you people?

Y'all.

 

[G Low]

I'm aware they believed that. I think they were wrong.



In all the debates on monuments and flags, the only burials that got moved (or to my knowledge were even suggested of being moved) were M/M NBF, who were buried in a park and were moved to a cemetery. Where they should have been buried in the first place.

no they were removed from a cemetery to the park , then they were moved to the scv headquarters in Columbia , Tenn. where they would be respected . Oh well it was only two so that makes it ok. So we should be glad they moved his wife too? no one would be as cold hearted as to leave a grieving widow by her self. As a matter of fact NBF wanted to be buried with his brothers in Memphis. His three sisters and other brother are buried in the Beck cemetery in another state. (Those died in 1841 and are buried with their Grandparents, Rev. and Mrs.John Emasy Beck.

 

[G Low]

Gen. William Wing Loring & Gen. Ambrose Powell Hill were also moved... and the Forrests were moved to SCV HQ (not a cemetery).

You see what I mean Uneducated Majority!!

 

[G Low]

You see what I mean Uneducated Majority!!

And they replaced Travellers Tombstone!!!

 

[G Low]

no they were removed from a cemetery to the park , then they were moved to the scv headquarters in Columbia , Tenn. where they would be respected . Oh well it was only two so that makes it ok. So we should be glad they moved his wife too? no one would be as cold hearted as to leave a grieving widow by her self. As a matter of fact NBF wanted to be buried with his brothers in Memphis. His three sisters and other brother are buried in the Beck cemetery in another state. (Those died in 1841 and are buried with their Grandparents, Rev. and Mrs.John Emasy Beck.

This man is buried in Arlington National Cemetery, Hopefully he won't be moved!!

 

[G Low]

This man is buried in Arlington National Cemetery, Hopefully he won't be moved!!

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I need to change his profile He was a Brigadier General, By God !!

 

[G Low]

I need to change his profile He was a Brigadier General, By God !!

Johnny Reb how did you wind up in Michigan? Must feel like a sore tail cat in a room full of rocking chairs!

 

[Pollaco]

I need to change his profile He was a Brigadier General, By God !!

Who was a brigadier?

 

[G Low]

Who was a brigadier?

My cousin