Lee-Jackson Day 2024

[19thGeorgia]

As long as you keep "honoring Lee and Jackson" synonymous with "celebrating the Confederacy and secession" you cost yourself the support of those who, like Grant, could admire the men despite seeing the bankruptcy of their cause.

No bankruptcy in making defense against invasion.

 

[Viper21]

For the SCV members in our ranks, several national officers will be present this year. The sitting Commander in Chief, Lt Commander in Chief, Chief of Heritage Operations, & the Executive Director are all slated to be present. If you haven't met any of these guys, I can assure you they are all very personable southern gentlemen. Hope to see some of y'all...!

 

[TallTallMan]

@Philip Leigh Now that I said I wanted to see you in person I'm embarassed that you were snooping around...

 

[TallTallMan]

@Joshism Any particular reason you are trolling this thread? I wouldn't do it for Butler-Hunter Day with Eric Foner. (I'm not even partcularly on a par with the Kennedys.)

 

[NH Civil War Gal]

Good idea, you wouldn't want to miss Ol' Jacks 200th birthday, now would you?

Is it Jackson's 200th birthday? I did a really deep dive into him last winter if you remember. Whatever we do to celebrate his birthday, it had better NOT be on the Sabbath, that's all I'm saying about it.…. He wouldn't even mail letters, if at all possible, if he thought they would be traveling through on the Sabbath. He won't like us traveling on the Sabbath, I can assure you.

 

[Josh The Lighthouse Guy]

Any particular reason you are trolling this thread?

Sharing negative opinions is trolling?

 

[Philip Leigh]

Sharing negative opinions is trolling?

@Joshism Any particular reason you are trolling this thread? I wouldn't do it for Butler-Hunter Day with Eric Foner. (I'm not even particularly on a par with the Kennedys.)

The way we spend our days is, of course, the way we spend our lives.

 

[DanSBHawk]

@Joshism Any particular reason you are trolling this thread? I wouldn't do it for Butler-Hunter Day with Eric Foner. (I'm not even partcularly on a par with the Kennedys.)

Any particular reason you're trolling @Joshism?

 

[John Winn]

Geez. I hate to see this forum end up just about throwing stones. The OP didn't express a statement of fact but, rather, simply invited folks to a gathering. If one doesn't approve of such gatherings that's one's business but I don't see why challenging the gathering is necessary. Why can't we just let others do as they wish in whatever way has meaning to them (assuming they aren't imposing on others) ? Seems these days everything is subject to public attack.

If you don't agree that Lee or Jackson should be honored then don't but why go out of your way to attack those who feel otherwise ? They aren't imposing on you. If you don't share their views fine but attacks here seem like just going out of one's way to attack others. We can all do without that methinks.

 

[Josh The Lighthouse Guy]

If one doesn't approve of such gatherings that's one's business but I don't see why challenging the gathering is necessary. Why can't we just let others do as they wish in whatever way has meaning to them (assuming they aren't imposing on others) ? Seems these days everything is subject to public attack.

Your comments remind of how whenever someone gets engaged or pregnant the expectation is that everyone they tell should respond positively. Their decision should never be challenged. It's their life; why can't you let them do as they wish? Why can't you be happy for them? How dare anyone suggest that what they're doing is wrong! Personal happiness is all that matters!

The event is somewhat innocuously presented as a celebration of Lee and Jackson. It didn't take much to reveal what it's really about: a celebration of the Confederacy and Confederate ideals. Disingenuous presentation always warrants challenge.

Furthermore, veneration of Confederate ideals is inherently political. Those celebrating the Confederacy want their perception of Confederate political ideals implemented in present day.

The world will be a better place when there is nobody left who believes the Confederacy was on the right side of history. Until then, Confederate apologists cannot be allowed to operate unchallenged. Anything left unchallenged is tacitly condoned.

 

[RobertP]

 

[19thGeorgia]

Reminds me of a saying- "A meddling yankee troubles himself about everybody's matters except his own and repents of everybody's sins except his own." -Daniel Harvey Hill

 

[19thGeorgia]

My mother used to call them a "meddlesome manny"

 

[NH Civil War Gal]

Your comments remind of how whenever someone gets engaged or pregnant the expectation is that everyone they tell should respond positively. Their decision should never be challenged. It's their life; why can't you let them do as they wish? Why can't you be happy for them? How dare anyone suggest that what they're doing is wrong! Personal happiness is all that matters!

The event is somewhat innocuously presented as a celebration of Lee and Jackson. It didn't take much to reveal what it's really about: a celebration of the Confederacy and Confederate ideals. Disingenuous presentation always warrants challenge.

Furthermore, veneration of Confederate ideals is inherently political. Those celebrating the Confederacy want their perception of Confederate political ideals implemented in present day.

The world will be a better place when there is nobody left who believes the Confederacy was on the right side of history. Until then, Confederate apologists cannot be allowed to operate unchallenged. Anything left unchallenged is tacitly condoned.

I'm sure there will be some there who want to see the South rise again with "whoopin' slaves and pickin' cotton" and others who just wanted a Southern Independence, not foreseeing the great changes that were already taking place in America at the time. Another member and I want to start a thread on that.

I think Lee and Jackson were the great men of their time and I for one want to go to this event and try to learn something and judge for myself and meet up with one of my dear friends @Stone in the wall. We go civil warring all the time when I'm in the Maryland area. We both know what sides we are on, but we respect each other and hear each other. And I have other very, very dear Southern friends. I also see both sides and am very interested in the common man's approach to this at the time.

I'm not sure how the Union should have been held together and no one here in CWT land thinks (after all these years) I didn't want it held together, but no matter how you cut it, we were the invasive force and we sure didn't act like we were the good guests we should have been.

But I have learned, over many years in municipal and international work and as an election official in NH the art of being agreeable without being disagreeable and that seems something you might want to work on.

And getting back to the "whoopin' slaves" comment. My older sister and I were raised exactly alike in the North and she truly does believe that's the "little ole life for little ole her" so prejudice knows no geographic bounds and we weren't raised like that. Her daughter, who lives in the South is deeply distressed by it as I am, and my older sister isn't a bit interested in the CW, and is highly educated, so there you are…. It has nothing to do with learning about the Confederacy.

 

[John Winn]

Your comments remind of how whenever someone gets engaged or pregnant the expectation is that everyone they tell should respond positively. Their decision should never be challenged. It's their life; why can't you let them do as they wish? Why can't you be happy for them? How dare anyone suggest that what they're doing is wrong! Personal happiness is all that matters!

The event is somewhat innocuously presented as a celebration of Lee and Jackson. It didn't take much to reveal what it's really about: a celebration of the Confederacy and Confederate ideals. Disingenuous presentation always warrants challenge.

Furthermore, veneration of Confederate ideals is inherently political. Those celebrating the Confederacy want their perception of Confederate political ideals implemented in present day.

The world will be a better place when there is nobody left who believes the Confederacy was on the right side of history. Until then, Confederate apologists cannot be allowed to operate unchallenged. Anything left unchallenged is tacitly condoned.

I'm just going to say don't agree with you on several levels and leave it at that except to say that the organizers aren't promoting a return of the confederacy or it's ideals; they're honoring their ancestors as they see fit so I don't see it as a political event.

I don't need confrontation or angry debate at this point in my life - especially if it's just on the internet with people I've never met - and I don't want to derail this thread. Find somebody else.

 

[TallTallMan]

Sharing negative opinions is trolling?

This was not a thread to debate if Lee-Jackson Day is appropriate.

I don't bother myself how you feel, which is your right. I can even understand your discomfort. HOWEVER, the point of this thread was a general announcement, not to make fun of the guests, as you did at the beginning--or attack the whole celebration in general.

If you don't like it, don't click it.

 

[TallTallMan]

Any particular reason you're trolling @Joshism?

Any particular reason you're trolling me? I wasn't trolling him but pointing out a fact. This is not the place for a discussion argument about the meaning of CSA celebration, which you are obsessed with. Who cares? I wouldn't be mad for Benedict Arnold Day. Not my business. This doesn't affect our country in any way. Furthermore, this was not a thread for "discussing"; it was an announcement (see comment #37).

 

[Josh The Lighthouse Guy]

the organizers aren't promoting a return of the confederacy or it's ideals; they're honoring their ancestors as they see fit so I don't see it as a political event.

Then why is the keynote speaker someone who's claim to fame is a book titled The South Was Right?

Even if you want to argue "it's not about racism" then it's about Southerners standing up for States Rights and "small" government, which is just as much tying the Confederates to modern political issues.

This was not a thread to debate if Lee-Jackson Day is appropriate

It's not even a question of whether Lee-Jackson Day is appropriate; it's about the way it is being celebrated and what is being celebrated.

Not my business. This doesn't affect our country in any way.

"I ignore problems and hope they'll go away."

Besides, as long as the OP is a Moderator the website prevents me from placing him on my Ignore list.

 

[TallTallMan]

"I ignore problems and hope they'll go away."

Besides, as long as the OP is a Moderator the website prevents me from placing him on my Ignore list.

Pssssh. Neo-Confeds are about as dangerous as Monarchists. That is, a small fanatical fringe nobody is a member of.

 

[Andersonh1]

We're waiting until a bit closer to see how the weather is looking that weekend, but I'm hoping to make it this year. I've been twice and I always enjoy the event. There's nothing like holding a Lee-Jackson Day service at Jackson's gravesite. It's a special place to remember these men.