Hatfields and McCoys

[ole]

It's amusing how the people you always ignore and never read their posts or anything they discuss are usually the ones looking to make a mountain out of a molehill. Little things amuse small minds I f guess.

Mulejack

"Incognito" is a molehill. Why make a mountain out of it?

 

[CWNurse]

"Incognito" is a molehill. Why make a mountain out of it?

I recken there are times us mountain fokes not only know big words, but we can do figures without our fingers and toes too

 

[ole]

Some of them, at least, were literate. They were shown reading newspapers. Newspapers were written by educated people. That's how people learn, by picking things up. To quote Al Swearengen from DEADWOOD, "Is it the job of the newspaper to educate the reader or make him feel like a dunce?"

Which character used "incognito"?

It was said when Selkirk was captured. He was "incognito" which raised the suspicion that someone was leaking information.

 

[davepi2]

just a few thoughts on the mini-series. I enjoyed it very much and it help explain a lot of things. Also it was actually something the entire family sat down and watched together. Can't remember the last time that happened. As for historical accuracy I will have to defer to others who have better knowledge then myself as too what actually happened, I will admit I am ignorant of those facts. A couple of last things, the first I am sorry if it has been mentioned before. Why has it taken this long for the History Channel to actually run a show that actually deals with "history"? Hopefully this is a good sign but I am afraid it will be back to all the reality garbage that they normally run. Secondly it is also a bad sign of just what is being taught in our schools these days that the reference to Hamilton and Burr(mentioned in another post earlier) is not understood by a whole lot of people. I had to explain it not only to my wife and daughter but also a few at work. One question dealing with Hamilton and Burr, is this the greatest example of how assumption is the mother of all #######?

 

[mulejack]

It was said when Selkirk was captured. He was "incognito" which raised the suspicion that someone was leaking information.

Having spent three nights, some six hours or more watching what I belive was an exciting well acted tale of the Hatfields and McCoys and having grown accustomed to the screenwriters version of the dialogue they used in the 1870's I was disappointed when I heard one of the actors use the word Incognito in a sentence. I mentioned this in the orignal post I made concerning the word Incognito. I made no mention of the intelligence level of the people of that era. I spoke no ill will of the people of that era nor in any way suggested they were of lower intelligence. Although it seems I offended the sensitivity of Bob Owens and Ole by referring to what I thought was a misuse of the word by the screenwriter who fashioned the dialogue for that screenplay. This was an excllent screenplay in my opnion albeit violent and cruel at times it will probably earna number of awards.

Mulejack

 

[ole]

just a few thoughts on the mini-series. I enjoyed it very much and it help explain a lot of things. Also it was actually something the entire family sat down and watched together. Can't remember the last time that happened. As for historical accuracy I will have to defer to others who have better knowledge then myself as too what actually happened, I will admit I am ignorant of those facts. A couple of last things, the first I am sorry if it has been mentioned before. Why has it taken this long for the History Channel to actually run a show that actually deals with "history"? Hopefully this is a good sign but I am afraid it will be back to all the reality garbage that they normally run. Secondly it is also a bad sign of just what is being taught in our schools these days that the reference to Hamilton and Burr(mentioned in another post earlier) is not understood by a whole lot of people. I had to explain it not only to my wife and daughter but also a few at work. One question dealing with Hamilton and Burr, is this the greatest example of how assumption is the mother of all #######?

The production cost had to have been big money. THC must have had many second thoughts before committing to it, and promoting it. It's a risky business .... note that Gods and Generals weaned Ted Turner of his investing habit.

We might hope that the success of H&M might encourage THC to stretch some. And hire some adventuresome programmers.

 

[Dave Hull]

It's cheaper that way, and there are way less modern "intrusions," like power lines.

You have never seen the coal fields of McDowell and Mingo Counties then. Head out in 90' from the highway and in less than a quarter mile, you will see no modern intrusions. Cross one of those small ridges and you will find folk who still live the way the folks in those days lived.

From a logistics standpoint, probably better to use other locations, as a 20 mile drive from either end, takes about an hour. Helicopter would work, if you could find a clearing large enough to land in.

 

[Dave Hull]

I am assuming folks in that region have now eschewed executions, yes? Because you wrote that in the present tense...

Yes, they now just throw Molotov Cocktails at their enemies' homes. Lots of home fires down there. For the most part though, the youngsters have focused their attention on snorting pills instead of going after each other. Marijuana has replaced Moonshine as the cash crop for the hilljacks. Some rough ex coal towns down through there

 

[K Hale]

Cross one of those small ridges and you will find folk who still live the way the folks in those days lived.

Up to a point, right?

....right?

 

[K Hale]

Yes, they now just throw Molotov Cocktails at their enemies' homes.

A la Jim Vance.

So, now it's methbillies?

 

[JWheeler331]

That was a great quote. Especially coming from a deserter.

Deserter I guess....but he did still sign up and made Lt. He also helped form the Logan Wildcats when he got back home to protect his town from Yankees .

 

[bobs0651]

Well, those three young boys (actually grown men) did cold heartedly murder Ellison Hatfield over nothing. Sooo...

this i was not aware of..... are you speaking of the facts as set forth in history or those of this particular series? if in this series could you quote where/when it occured as i had to have missed it.
thank you most kindly sir

 

[K Hale]

this i was not aware of..... are you speaking of the facts as set forth in history or those of this particular series? if in this series could you quote where/when it occured as i had to have missed it.
thank you most kindly sir

They stabbed Ellison to death at the election. Some fight was started over something stupid and wound up with Ellison being knifed repeatedly by the three McCoy men.

Were you thinking Hatfield randomly decided to kidnap and murder three people out of the blue?

 

[davepi2]

marijuana replaced moonshine? I will have to let some of my friends from Meigs County here in Ohio they are not the only ones to have discovered this way of making money. Oh well Saturday night in Athens will still be just as fun.

 

[CWNurse]

I don't guess anyone on here has read, "When Money Grew on Trees" ? The last comment made me think of that. In fact, if I remember right , the grower moved down here (Madison Co AR), from up north. But, alas..I guess this should be a complete other post...

 

[bobs0651]

They stabbed Ellison to death at the election. Some fight was started over something stupid and wound up with Ellison being knifed repeatedly by the three McCoy men.

Were you thinking Hatfield randomly decided to kidnap and murder three people out of the blue?

of course not,just did not recall when it happened or where. TY for the info... as i said before i'm here to learn... my IQ has jumped up almost as fast as my BP since i'm on this forum

 

[bama46]

I'm beginning to have some problems in hearing, myself. At first the doctors thought it was because I was around aircraft jet engines occassionally. But after testing it appears that it is nerve-related, a product of diabetes, and hearing aids don't help a bit with that. I just have to ask people to repeat things more often.

I'm told by some in my office that close-captioning is a big industry overseas, with much of it being out-sourced to Asia! It seems that they can do close-captioning faster, and for much less cost, than can Americans. That's why you end up with "phonetic" close captioning sometimes - it sounds right, but it's entirely the wrong word.

Hearing aids DO helpwith nerve deafness...it is the type I have and i have been wearin them almost 30 years... go see another audiologist.
One of my close captioning peeves is <gunshots firing>... gunshots do NOT fire,guns do

 

[bobs0651]

marijuana replaced moonshine? I will have to let some of my friends from Meigs County here in Ohio they are not the only ones to have discovered this way of making money. Oh well Saturday night in Athens will still be just as fun.

fwiw i've heard 15 states have "compassionate use" laws in effect for medical use of it. see cal prop 215 for an eye opener

 

[16thVA]

Deserter I guess....but he did still sign up and made Lt. He also helped form the Logan Wildcats when he got back home to protect his town from Yankees .

He left to defend his home, western Virginia was virtually abandoned by Richmond. Lt. Gov. (1863-65) Samuel Price of Greenbrier county had complained to the Sec. of War late in 1861 . "Why is the whole of Western Virginia to be given up ~ Is Virginia too large in this scale of States ~ Is there any real desire to have Virginia dissevered and the west given over to the Federals ~ I am pained to think of the treatment which we have received."

Hatfield was only protecting his territory, along with Vincent Witcher and Rebel Bill Smith. I recommend this essay to anyone interested. "The Devil at Large, Anse Hatfield's War" by James M. Prichard in "Virginia at War, 1863".

http://books.google.com/books?id=nMXvLW3XUIEC&pg=PT1&dq=virginia at war william davis&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nDPJT9_7F8Ps0gHpiJGEAQ&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=prichard&f=false

 

[K Hale]

Defend his home from what? I thought western VA was largely Unionist.