Hatfields and McCoys

My Bad !!!! Apparently Randall McCoy was a Confederate if indeed he did serve. The Yank from Kentucky, ASA HARMON MCCOY was Randall's brother. There were about 10 Rebel McCoys in Devil Anse's outfit.
45th Virginia Infantry Battalion

HISTORY
45th Infantry Battalion was organized by detachments between April and December, 1863. Its six companies were composed of men from the 1st Regiment Cavalry Virginia State Line which had disbanded. The unit served in the Department of Western Virginia, lost 4 killed and 11 wounded at Cloyd's Mountain, then was involved in various conflicts in the Shenandoah Valley. It disbanded during April, 1865. Lieutenant Colonel Henry M. Beckley and Major Blake L. Woodson were in command.
[Source: National Park Service, Civil War Soldiers and Sailors System] & also the following :

Randall McCoy

Residence was not listed;
Enlisted as a Private (date unknown).




He also had service in:
VA 45th Battn Infantry


(Service questionable, oral tradition only, supported
by Devil Anse's statement in 1892 lawsuit.)

I now believe I've found Randall McCoy's Confederate CMSR ( at least what there is ) He was indeed sent to Camp Chase, Ohio. From there to Camp Douglass, Illinois ( some consider it the Northern equivalent to Andersonville ) his mental condition probably was messed up after being held there : Randall McCoy, Company A, May's Virginia Cavalry Regiment, ( 1st Cavalry State Line ) Company C Beckley's Regiment. Captured in Pike County, eastern Ky / western Virginia, July 7 / 8, 1863. Arrived at Camp Chase, Ohio July,20. Sent to Camp Douglass August 20. Held till June 16, 1865. Resident of Pike County, Kentucky, dark complexion, dark hair, grey eyes, 6'.
 
GAvolunteer said:
Nah, the old lady screw** the blonde one when she refused to let Johnse in to see her and the baby.

Good for her. I wouldn't let a dog-kicker in my house, either.

Johnse was a spineless, flimsy excuse for a man.
 
Good for her. I wouldn't let a dog-kicker in my house, either.

Johnse was a spineless, flimsy excuse for a man.

(ahem) But he was easy on the eyes....(ahem) Well the actor was.

I just finished Part 3 today. I was surprised at how Randall died. Very sad. I thought they would have showed Devil Anse die too but they just showed him get baptized, wth.
I could NOT believe the amount of bloodshed between the two families.
 
cmiller85 said:
(ahem) But he was easy on the eyes....(ahem) Well the actor was.

Meh. Too cutesy for me. Devil Anse, OTOH...

McCoy's death was shocking. I read somewhere that he actually died by falling (drunk?) into a cooking fire.
 
Johnse was indeed pretty! :happy: But I can sure see why Anse was sitting there with a fishing pole in one hand and his pistol in the other... Good thing Johnse mentioned plans to go to Oregon!
 
There were a lot of deaths that way, even if one wasn't drunk. Particularly kids and women catching those dang long dresses alight! Anse was good looking - Kevin Costner is getting long in the tooth and had put on the pounds, but he slimmed it off and looks better than he did when he was a lot younger! (Of course, I'm an old lady...:mstickle:)
 
There were a lot of deaths that way, even if one wasn't drunk. Particularly kids and women catching those dang long dresses alight! Anse was good looking - Kevin Costner is getting long in the tooth and had put on the pounds, but he slimmed it off and looks better than he did when he was a lot younger! (Of course, I'm an old lady...:mstickle:)

I agree Diane!! I am only 26 but I thought he looked better now than he did years ago. He totally embodied the 'southern' attitude.
 
Meh. Too cutesy for me. Devil Anse, OTOH...

McCoy's death was shocking. I read somewhere that he actually died by falling (drunk?) into a cooking fire.

Wow, really? I think after all the things he went through, I can understand why he finally started to 'lose' it.
 
'Hatfields and McCoys' famous feud continues to fascinate, draw more tourists to Appalachia

By Associated Press, Updated: Monday, June 18, 4:59 AM

MATEWAN, W.Va. — More than a century after the last shots were fired in America's most famous feud, the Hatfields and McCoys mingle peacefully in the mountains they call home, singing together in church choirs, sharing pot-luck lunches and headlining an ever-growing annual festival.

When the two clans that spilled so much blood and buried so many sons decide to tussle now, they do it with a tug of war, not with rifles. When the families tried to outmuscle one another in a recent rope-pulling skirmish, the only volleys fired were playful taunts. The McCoys won the struggle waged across the Tug Fork of the Big Sandy River separating West Virginia and eastern Kentucky.

The names remain forever linked, but now in a pursuit of commerce. Businesses from a liquor store to a car wash to a restaurant and inn capitalize on the Hatfield-McCoy name. And the fascination with the families' bloody past may help propel this hardscrabble patch of Appalachia toward a more prosperous future.

A three-night miniseries about the feud that spanned much of the last half of the 19th century set basic cable viewing records and sparked renewed interest in the Hatfields and the McCoys, who waged their own cross-border war between West Virginia and Kentucky. The History Channel drama starred Kevin Costner and Bill Paxton as the patriarchs __ William Anderson "Devil Anse" Hatfield in West Virginia and Randolph "Ole Ran'l" McCoy in Kentucky — and drew more than 13.9 million viewers the first night. The finale did even better, with 14.3 million viewers.

A straight-to-DVD starring Christian Slater has just come out. The feud has inspired a spate of new books and television producers are looking for descendants of the once-feuding families to take part in a reality show that will be filmed in West Virginia.

As the backwoods blood feud finds itself in the cross-hairs of filmmakers and authors, officials in both states are hoping to transform a century-old spasm of violence into a modern day tourism brand. They offer bus tours of the crucial sites in the feuding that claimed at least a dozen lives by 1888 and catapulted both families into the American vernacular, becoming shorthand to describe bitter rivals.

"In my opinion, they are sitting on a gold mine," said Danny Baines of Kingsport, Tenn., who was visiting feud sites along the winding backroads in the scenic mountain region of the two states.

Asked why people are fascinated with the feud, he replied, "I think there's a little feuding in all of us."

West Virginia Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin said tourism officials in southern West Virginia have been inundated with calls, and websites are getting hundreds of hits.

On the Kentucky side, tours of feud sites are filled within hours after being scheduled, said Pike County tourism director Tony Tackett. His office's website had more than 300,000 hits in two weeks; it normally averaged about 5,500 hits a month. Brochure requests are averaging 300 a day, up from 30 daily. Souvenirs sales have skyrocketed.

"We're just going to roll with it ... hold on tight and market it as well as we can," Tackett said.
In Matewan, Kathy McCoy operates the Hatfield McCoy Resort-Inn with her husband, Donald.

The couple has ties to both families.

"Ever since the feud, the Hatfields and the McCoys have been mingling together," she said, adding that she sees plenty of untapped potential for the region. "We need to jump on it while it's hot."

Attendance was up this June at the three-day festival held in Matewan and Williamson in West Virginia and in Pike County, Ky. The event featured tours, re-enactments, book signings, arts and crafts and a marathon run. Descendants showed their allegiance by wearing ribbons, red for Hatfields, blue for McCoys.

"There's no reason why this area can't prosper from this," said Barry Hatfield, 27, of Stone, Ky., who portrayed his long-distant kinsman Johnson "Johnse" Hatfield, son of Devil Anse, in a re-enactment. "The coal industry is sort of suffering right now."

A history teacher at Mingo Central High School in West Virginia, Hatfield's blood ties reach all the way back to an uncle of the clan's patriarch. He began researching the feud when he was in middle school.

"We don't think nothing about it," he said, adding that he's even played a McCoy a few times. "We just look at it as history and now entertainment."

The feud officially ended June 14, 2003, when about 60 descendants of the two families gathered in Pikeville, Ky., to sign a truce during the fourth festival.

The bus tours on the West Virginia side used to run only during the festival, but additional tours are planned for June along with once-a-month tours from July through September because of greater demand, said Natalie Young, executive director of the Tug Valley Chamber of Commerce and the Williamson Convention and Visitors Bureau.

The sites feature historical markers that describe the pivotal events. Visitors can see the spot where three McCoys — Tolbert, Pharmer and Randolph Jr., all sons of Ole Ran'l McCoy — were tied to pawpaw trees and shot to death by an unofficial posse organized by Devil Anse Hatfield.

He was seeking to avenge the death of his brother, Elliston, at the hands of the McCoys.

Many believe the feud was rooted in the Civil War, but the bitterness was perpetuated by disputes over timber rights and even a pig. The tour includes a stop at the site of the trial over the contested swine and at the place where Johnse Hatfield and Roseanna McCoy began their ill-fated love affair. Another stop is at their child's grave.

Lisa Alther, author of the book "Blood Feud" about the warring families, said other feuds happened in the Southern Appalachians during that era but none captured the public's imagination like the Hatfields and McCoys, due partly to its web of compelling plot lines.

"It's partly a culture of honor, where insults can lead to fights and nobody would step down," she said. "There was too much alcohol for sure, too many guns, possibly too little formal education so people hadn't learned how to discuss rather than fight."

From an ancestral McCoy home in nearby Kentucky where the family had gathered for the reunion, Elliott McCoy said the hatred and distrust between the families died out long ago.
"I don't know anybody that would have a bitter feeling toward them," McCoy, a gospel singer who lives in Nashville, Tenn., said of the Hatfields. "If they did, they wouldn't be in their right mind."

Descendants on both sides share a pride in their heritage, though they disavow the violent streak.

"It's knowing that you come from a long line of people that didn't make a lot of right decisions at times, but they thought it was right in their mind, so that's what they did," said Michael Maurice Hatfield. "Now I've got a short fuse myself, and I understand where it comes from."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...o-appalachia/2012/06/18/gJQAgnJlkV_story.html
 
Watched series during the last week. I got caught up in the clothing and the buildings and surroundings. You could get lost in them hills!
 
I thought the series was fairly well done and to me the message was all about how senseless, destructive, and long lived Hate is as at least for both the Hatfields and McCoys. Hate especially with regard to those two families divided and multiplied when shared with others.
 
It was a pretty good series. Couple things though. Roseanna was not blonde, I'm pretty sure Randolph didn't die the night of the fire but soon after from the burns.
I just got done talking to a Hatfield descendent this evening, who said there is no record or nothing documented of Anse thinking about shooting Johnse while fishing near the end of the series & he thinks that was Hollywood's invention.
Randolph never amounted to much in later life. He was a ferry boat operator in Pikeville just relentlessly complaining about the Hatfields & how life had been so unfair to him. When he died in 1914 at the age of 88 there was relatively little attention. Sarah lived a few more years never fully recovered from the New Years massacer beating she took.
Devil Anse on the other hand was very successful in later life & when he died in 1921 from pneumonia ( Yeah he even outlived Randolph) his death received wide newspaper coverage including the New York Times. 5,000 people attended his funeral. Levicy died in 1929.
Johnse died in 1922 of a heart attack while riding a horse. ( I could handle going out like that lol) He had been given a pardon for saving the life of the warden when he was in prison & only served 6 years I think, maybe it was 7. Cap Hatfield died in 1930 from a brain tumor. A autopsy indicated his death was from an old bullet wound.

This a pretty neat site about Randolph McCoy & the civil war. Note though, the picture shown is NOT Randolph. It has been debunked. I forgot now who it is, but it's not McCoy

http://www.civilwarprofiles.com/the-confusing-confederate-service-of-randolph-mccoy/
 

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