Confederate War Aims

[leftyhunter]

Never heard of a War fought over actions in the Bed Room.

Negrophobic Yankees were just as concerned about miscegenation. They wanted NO Blacks in the Territories. Can't have sex with them if they aren't there. Speaks Volume. Wanted those left for White Families. However, I don't think Yankee invasion was over Sex. Nor that Sex was a Confederate War Aim.

Trading With the Enemy by Philip Leigh.

Preserving racial purity was cited by Secessionists has a reason for Secession. Obviously Southern states took the issue if Miscegenation very seriously because no Southern state voluntarily repealed it's Miscegenation Laws.
Leftyhunter
Leftyhunter

 

[leftyhunter]

Never heard of a War fought over actions in the Bed Room.

Negrophobic Yankees were just as concerned about miscegenation. They wanted NO Blacks in the Territories. Can't have sex with them if they aren't there. Speaks Volume. Wanted those left for White Families. However, I don't think Yankee invasion was over Sex. Nor that Sex was a Confederate War Aim.

Trading With the Enemy by Philip Leigh.

Preserving racial purity was cited by Secessionists has a reason for Secession. Obviously Southern states took the issue if Miscegenation very seriously because no Southern state voluntarily repealed it's Miscegenation Laws.
Leftyhunter

 

[leftyhunter]

Never heard of a War fought over actions in the Bed Room.

Negrophobic Yankees were just as concerned about miscegenation. They wanted NO Blacks in the Territories. Can't have sex with them if they aren't there. Speaks Volume. Wanted those left for White Families. However, I don't think Yankee invasion was over Sex. Nor that Sex was a Confederate War Aim.

Trading With the Enemy by Philip Leigh.

Preserving racial purity was cited by Secessionists has a reason for Secession. Obviously Southern states took the issue of Miscegenation very seriously because no Southern state voluntarily repealed it's Miscegenation Laws.
Leftyhunter

 

[Rebforever]

I would like to see a source on Lincoln trading cotton for arms that in of itself would of led to impeachment. It would be very difficult to keep that a secret. Either a state has miscegenation laws or they don't. The fact that Southern states did not voluntarily repeal them speaks volumes.
Again no contemporary Southern politican or civic society had no issue with racism against other non white groups.
Leftyhunter

Lincoln gave permission slips to various people in the textile business To go South and he put tax on it to help fight the war.

 

[leftyhunter]

Lincoln gave permission slips to various people in the textile business To go South and he put tax on it to help fight the war.

If you can flesh out some details or a link that would be appreciated.
Leftyhunter

 

[leftyhunter]

Lincoln gave permission slips to various people in the textile business To go South and he put tax on it to help fight the war.

If you can flesh out some details or a link that would be appreciated.
Leftyhunter

 

[leftyhunter]

Lincoln gave permission slips to various people in the textile business To go South and he put tax on it to help fight the war.

If you can flesh out some details or a link that would be appreciated.
Leftyhunter

 

[leftyhunter]

Lincoln gave permission slips to various people in the textile business To go South and he put tax on it to help fight the war.

If you can flesh out some details or a link that would be appreciated.
Leftyhunter

 

[Copperhead-mi]

If you can flesh out some details or a link that would be appreciated.
Leftyhunter

Leftyhunter,
Do you know that every post/response you've made in the last few days on this thread is replicating itself up to 5 times?

 

[leftyhunter]

Lincoln gave permission slips to various people in the textile business To go South and he put tax on it to help fight the war.

If you can flesh out some details or a link that would be appreciated.
Leftyhunter

Leftyhunter,
Do you know that every post/response you've made in the last few days on this thread is replicating itself up to 5 times?

Yes unfortunately I work in the LA Subway system so reception is an issue. Feel free to let the Mods know to prune them.
Leftyhunter

 

[Rebforever]

If you can flesh out some details or a link that would be appreciated.
Leftyhunter

Google it. It is easy to find. "Lincoln and cotton during the Civil War"

 

[leftyhunter]

Lincoln gave permission slips to various people in the textile business To go South and he put tax on it to help fight the war.

If you can flesh out some details or a link that would be appreciated.
Leftyhunter

Leftyhunter,
Do you know that every post/response you've made in the last few days on this thread is replicating itself up to 5 times?

Yes unfortunately I work in the LA Subway system so reception is an issue. Feel free to let the Mods know to

Google it. It is easy to find. "Lincoln and cotton during the Civil War"

I have provided many links and quoted many books over the years to you and others so no.
Leftyhunter

 

[leftyhunter]

Lincoln gave permission slips to various people in the textile business To go South and he put tax on it to help fight the war.

If you can flesh out some details or a link that would be appreciated.
Leftyhunter

Leftyhunter,
Do you know that every post/response you've made in the last few days on this thread is replicating itself up to 5 times?

Yes unfortunately I work in the LA Subway system so reception is an issue. Feel free to let the Mods know to

Google it. It is easy to find. "Lincoln and cotton during the Civil War"

I have provided many links and quoted many books over the years to you and others so no.
Leftyhunter

 

[CSA Today]

The fact is that the media/print media, in both North and South were successful in the propaganda of news which aided in the hostility in the Union. They were totally ignorant of the effects of the news ? which they were publishing. The printed word is the most successful means to bring on the effect on people, when they can not be reached by the spoken. The papers and books were the same methods that have been used since the foundation of this country .As to Confederate war aims, according to Confederate press simply separation from the domination of North which could only be achieved by the declaration of independence as their forefathers had from Britain .Then as events happened, economical ,and military losses, these same presses attacked the administration. Interesting is it not? As to **** and discrimination ,yes ,that was a horrible time in the history of this nation .But this nation as matured and though trial and tribulations we have developed a better understanding of other people civil rights as human beings. The nation went thought a civil war where thousands died and years of tribulation to achieve this maturity. But we do not inherit the sins of our ancestors .I notice that you state "was held" past tense ,no longer held.

It was a long time in coming if it has indeed ever arrived.

 

[CSA Today]

Dude, I was trying to joke around with you, but I guess you don't have a sense of humor or you just missed the punchline? I lived in both parts of the country and I can give you a much better explanation than Leon Litwack.

First, we can both agree that all we do is talk about white racism and neglect to talk about black racism, which I personally believe blacks are more racist than whites no matter where you go in this country. It seems to me that black racism is taboo or the reasoning behind it is all some white guilt excuses that justifies it all. Not in my world. Racism is racism no matter what race initiates it.

I agree with Litwack that northerners thought/think black's are an inferior race(I think that's what you wrote), especially intellectually and morally. After living in the south I noticed that the hatred between the races stems from being too much alike. If you threw a blanket over all southerners (some whites did) you wouldn't be able tell them apart. They have the same accent, demeanor, attitude, pride and the same overall view on how they deal with life. This is just my opinion...

Thanks for your opinion.

 

[Rebforever]

If you can flesh out some details or a link that would be appreciated.
Leftyhunter

Yes unfortunately I work in the LA Subway system so reception is an issue. Feel free to let the Mods know to

I have provided many links and quoted many books over the years to you and others so no.
Leftyhunter

How did I know you was going to do that, Lefty? I am not going to copy and paste when a simple push of a button you would have an answer quicker. In case you haven't noticed, I have been around here for quite a few years too.

 

[GwilymT]

How did I know you was going to do that, Lefty? I am not going to copy and paste when a simple push of a button you would have an answer quicker. In case you haven't noticed, I have been around here for quite a few years too.

Easy guys... it's undeniable that trade, both illicit and sanctioned, occurred between the combatants. However, while Philip Leigh's book may be well researched I'd hesitate to jump onto all the implications he insinuates or conclusions he comes to. He does have a tendency to view the entire affair through rose colored CSA glasses. Using the fact that there was trade between the combatants as an avenue to paint the conflict as solely caused by northern greed doesn't hit the mark for me. There is some trade between combatants in all conflicts- one could say it is a consequence of rather than a cause of war.

This book, and the trade between the combatants would make an excellent thread. @Rebforever perhaps you could do a book review? I haven't read it but would be interested.

Back to Confederate War Aims!

 

[Rebforever]

Easy guys... it's undeniable that trade, both illicit and sanctioned, occurred between the combatants. However, while Philip Leigh's book may be well researched I'd hesitate to jump onto all the implications he insinuates or conclusions he comes to. He does have a tendency to view the entire affair through rose colored CSA glasses. Using the fact that there was trade between the combatants as an avenue to paint the conflict as solely caused by northern greed doesn't hit the mark for me. There is some trade between combatants in all conflicts- one could say it is a consequence of rather than a cause of war.

This book, and the trade between the combatants would make an excellent thread. @Rebforever perhaps you could do a book review? I haven't read it but would be interested.

Back to Confederate War Aims!

There is lots of information on the web. The first thing I do is check out the footnoted authors. I have never read Philip Leigh's book.

 

[OpnCoronet]

Many in North were opposed to slavery not b/c they hated slavery but b/c they hated Blacks and didn't want a country in which in would be possible for free blacks and whites to live side by side!? This was esp true among northern democrats, Copperheads. if so, then, yes, the south WAS more progressive when it came to race, ironically, and, of course, this is not intended to justify in any way the peculiar institution of chattel slavery.

Yet, many of those same Northerners supported and fought to Free those same slaves and make them U.S. Citizens.
It must t have been a very important cause in the War for such to fight against their own prejudices ... one might even say Noble.

 

[John S. Carter]

I don't think this was an aim, but rather a result. People weren't saying they needed to go to war to build a large army and spur industry. The building of large armies and the spurring of industry was a necessary result of going to war, not really an aim or a cause.

How prepared was the Confedercery for war ? The North while unprepared for a war did have the economic and industrial sources to make up for this. The only aim that was mentioned by the government was to secure their separation form the Union. Question= Was there any other way to have accomplish this without attacking a Federal fort? Did they not take other federal forts without military force? What reason would Lincoln have used if Sumter had not be fired on? The first shot destroyed any and all aims that the Confedercery had.