Confederate War Aims

[leftyhunter]

Only the blacks fought to free the slaves.

Not true even white Unionists freeed the slaves . The way to free the slaves was really simple and that was to kill or capture as many Confedrate soldiers as possible.
Leftyhunter

 

[atlantis]

Not true even white Unionists freeed the slaves . The way to free the slaves was really simple and that was to kill or capture as many Confedrate soldiers as possible.
Leftyhunter

200,000 black confederate soldiers say otherwise.

 

[atlantis]

? did the confederate president and the confederate congress have the same war aims.

 

[GwilymT]

The only dust heap was called your lovely " Reconstruction ".

The racist redeemers saw to that and instituted another 100yrs of racist policies. Are you bragging?

 

[GwilymT]

200,000 black confederate soldiers say otherwise.

Absurdity knows no bounds. Neither do apologists, apparently.

 

[GwilymT]

? did the confederate president and the confederate congress have the same war aims.

Not sure, after all they were all just a rats nest of racist traitors- turning on themselves (as they did) would be par for the course.

We can try to pretend they were honorable but it says more about us than them if we do.

 

[GwilymT]

The only dust heap was called your lovely " Reconstruction ".

As "Reconstruction" was nothing more than trying to integrate African Americans into our national life as equal citizens, I'm confused as to why you are so adamantly opposed to that endeavor. Do you not think that freed slaves or southern unionists should have had the vote? Are you a fan of the "black codes"? Are you a fan of the red shirts and the KKK? Are you a fan of Jim Crow which was a direct result of reconstruction not being fully realized?

Help me to understand before I have to come to a conclusion about your point of view that I'd rather not have to come to.

 

[leftyhunter]

200,000 black confederate soldiers say otherwise.

Sure

 

[GwilymT]

Sure

They're down at Atlantis with the mermaids. All 200k of them.

 

[thomas aagaard]

And I thought this was a forum about actual history....

So what is next, should we debate how many orcs live in Mordor?

or maybe jump to how best to prove that earth is in fact flat.

 

[CSA Today]

But, the USA was moving that way and the south couldn't abide it.

I am aware of a group of people who went to war to defend slavery while the rest of the world was moving away from it. It was your heroes, the slavers.

I'm fully aware of Confederate heroes who fought for independence from holier than thou hypocrites who sought to dominate them for their own benefit.


"Abraham Lincoln is the Christ-figure of the Nationalist Narrative and the Lincoln gospel goes something like this: God led English Puritans to the City Upon the Hill on the Banks of Massachusetts Bay, but these budding Americans ruined paradise by allowing slavery to gain a foothold in North America. After many years of wandering in the Great American Desert and watching slavery flourish among the Southern descendants of Cain, Americans were awakened when John "The Baptist" Brown burst onto the scene, preparing the way for the Lord, who appeared, lying in a log cabin, in the little town of Somewhere, Kentucky."
Stephen M. Klugewicz

 

[CSA Today]

Then why hold up and honor ****s unless one is a ****?

Also, one side was fighting to enshrine **** in law. The other wasn't. Your attempt at a false equivalency is noted and rejected.

So the culprits responsible for the Lincoln Memorial were ****s?

"Then came the Black Hawk War; and I was elected a Captain of Volunteers - a success which gave me more pleasure than any I have had since."
Abraham Lincoln, December 20, 1859.

 

[atlantis]

And I thought this was a forum about actual history....

So what is next, should we debate how many orcs live in Mordor?

or maybe jump to how best to prove that earth is in fact flat.

Actual history is a crime in some places.

 

[CSA Today]

Which was negated by 1877 when white terrorist paramilitaries deprived people of color their civil rights and the federal government turned a blind eye for a long time afterwards.
Leftyhunter

Or until the time black folks again became useful dupes to the federal government.

 

[atlantis]

The war aim of independence is tarnished by the fact the states seceded to preserve slavery.

 

[CSA Today]

The war aim of independence is tarnished by the fact the states seceded to preserve slavery.

There is always something to tarnish, one of the reasons the 1776 rebels seceded was to have a free hand to steal Indian land in the Ohio Valley.

 

[atlantis]

After the battle of 1st bull run Richard Ewell suggested the slaves be freed and allowed into the army. The suggestion was rejected but it showed that some officers could see from the start that the manpower was not equal to the task.

 

[atlantis]

There is always something to tarnish, one of the reasons the 1776 rebels seceded was to have a free hand to steal Indian land in the Ohio Valley.

I agree. actual history is not cut and dried as some would prefer. In both conflicts there were many honorable men on each side.

 

[leftyhunter]

They're down at Atlantis with the mermaids. All 200k of them.

Or until the time black folks again became useful dupes to the federal government.

Not sure what your argument is. It sounds like you don't believe in equal rights.
Leftyhunter

 

[leftyhunter]

I agree. actual history is not cut and dried as some would prefer. In both conflicts there were many honorable men on each side.

There is no honor in fighting for slavery.
Leftyhunter