Confederate War Aims

[CSA Today]

I haven't read evidence that Lincoln's evolved views on African-Americans were simply a cynical political calculation on his part. That might have played a large part in the thinking of certain Radical Republicans, but Lincoln not.

Opinions may vary.

 

[leftyhunter]

When was a black elected to a major political position in the North?

Long before one was voted for in the South.
Leftyhunter

 

[CSA Today]

Long before one was voted for in the South.
Leftyhunter

There was a black US senator from the South (Mississippi) a hundred years before there was a black US Senator from the North (Massachusetts).

 

[Copperhead-mi]

There was a black US senator from the South (Mississippi) a hundred years before there was a black US Senator from the North (Massachusetts).

Not according to this:

African-American officeholders in the United States, 1789–1866

African-American officeholders in the United States, 1789–1866 - Wikipedia

wikipedia.org

 

[Copperhead-mi]

There was a black US senator from the South (Mississippi) a hundred years before there was a black US Senator from the North (Massachusetts).

There were two from Mississippi:
Hiram Rhodes Revels (R), Senator from Mississippi (1870-1871)
Blanche Bruce (R), Senator from Mississippi (1875-1881)

 

[Rebforever]

But of course, it is unfair (if not inaccurate) to freeze Lincoln's biased statement in 1858 as representing Lincoln's belief in his entire lifetime. Lincoln's views on African-Americans evolved quickly and positively during the war, by which time he at least acknowledged that community's political rights. Lincoln wrote on August 26, 1863:

"There will be some black men who can remember that, with silent tongue, and clenched teeth, and steady eye, and well-poised bayonet, they have helped mankind on to this consummation; while, I fear, there will be some white ones, unable to forget that, with indignant heart and deceitful speech, they have strove to hinder it."

Lincoln was still trying to figure out ways colonize Blacks up until a few months before he was murdered. So he was naturally biased as most all the people were in those days.

 

[CSA Today]

There were two from Mississippi:
Hiram Rhodes Revels (R), Senator from Mississippi (1870-1871)
Blanche Bruce (R), Senator from Mississippi (1875-1881)

You are correct, I was making a point to another poster that the North didn't elect a black senator until about a hundred years after one was elected in the South. Hiram Revels, Mississippi (1863) and Edward Brooke, Massachusetts (1967). Revels was a freeman originally from North Carolina. Revels is a common Lumbee Indian surname so maybe they could lay claim to the first native American US Senator.

 

[uaskme]

As "Reconstruction" was nothing more than trying to integrate African Americans into our national life as equal citizens, I'm confused as to why you are so adamantly opposed to that endeavor. Do you not think that freed slaves or southern unionists should have had the vote? Are you a fan of the "black codes"? Are you a fan of the red shirts and the KKK? Are you a fan of Jim Crow which was a direct result of reconstruction not being fully realized?

Help me to understand before I have to come to a conclusion about your point of view that I'd rather not have to come to.

Evidently the Yankee was opposed to integrating the Negro into White Society. Republican Supreme Court rejected the Civil Rights Amendments. Most of the radicals came to the conclusion that giving Blacks the vote was a failure. Thought X Slaves didn't deserve their new freedoms. Admitted that giving them the vote was done so to solidify their War Goals.

We have to remember that Southern Blacks elected Grant in 68. In 72 Grant realized the Southern Republican Party was a drags on the ticket. If we save LA we lose Ohio. So, as a Political reason Grant throws The Blacks to the KKK. Clear evidence his early support was for political reasons.

North didn't need the KKK. They had the Federal Government. Klansmen Grant, Sherman, Sheridan and Yellow Hair destroyed the Plains Indians. Murdered Women and Children in their Sleep. Excluded the Chinese. Stopped southern black emigration to to the North. The South coyod only dream of having a Klan as formidable as the Yankee.

 

[Copperhead-mi]

We have to remember that Southern Blacks elected Grant in 68. In 72 Grant realized the Southern Republican Party was a drags on the ticket. If we save LA we lose Ohio. So, as a Political reason Grant throws The Blacks to the KKK. Clear evidence his early support was for political reasons.

Hogwash. If the two Border states and four Southern states had gone to Democrat Seymour in 1868, Grant would have still won by 40 electoral points. As to your other unsubstantiated charge against Grant-- his support for the Third Force Act in 1871 and subsequent use of the U.S. military to go after the Klan and other anti-black subversives leading to thousands of arrests over the next few years, is sure a strange way of throwing "Blacks to the KKK."

 

[jackt62]

Lincoln was still trying to figure out ways colonize Blacks up until a few months before he was murdered. So he was naturally biased as most all the people were in those days.

Nobody has claimed that Lincoln believed in social equality between blacks and whites. But his thinking most certainly evolved during the war to the point where he would recognize the obligation of bestowing political rights (voting, etc.) on a freed Black population.

 

[CSA Today]

Nobody has claimed that Lincoln believed in social equality between blacks and whites. But his thinking most certainly evolved during the war to the point where he would recognize the obligation of bestowing political rights (voting, etc.) on a freed Black population.

How politically astute, in the South where the overwhelming majority of blacks lived.

 

[mobile_96]

You should read Jefferson Davis' Inaugural Address sometime instead of bias history authors who highlight the words of the Vice President over the President because it's what they wish was true.

Are these the only words of Davis that you can accept??? Why can't you check out the following address he made and another one that the Confederate Congress presented. I have not given the presentation text, but my source, which will Allow you to find and read in full. (I do have the full text of both items right here on my desktop so can present if you are unable to find, but due to size prefer to hold off--have fun) And, If I remember correctly, he also stated during his term as Sec. Of War, that secession was illegal. But, of course, his own slaves were not threatened at that time. If his opinion can change, why not Lincoln, or any other political individual????

Address to the Confederate Congress
by Jefferson Davis MONTGOMERY, April 29, 1861.

Please note the following word/s count for this "Official Confederate Document"
slave/s/ry=24 hits
states rights= 0 hits
tariffs= 0 hits
abolish/ion/ionist= 0 hits
From OR SERIES IV--VOLUME I [S# 127]-page 256

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Address Of Congress To The People Of The Confederate States
JOINT RESOLUTION IN RELATION TO THE WAR.

Important word count
institutions 3 (as slavery a institution in the South)
Sectional 1 ( a party confessedly sectional and hostile to the South and her institutions)
slave/s/ry 17
slave/s/ry-relating to white southerners being made slaves by the north, or even
by the souths own slaves 6 (=23 total)
tariffs 0
states rights o
property (relating to slaves) 10
Southern Historical Society Papers.
Vol. I. pg 23-37

JOINT RESOLUTION in reference to the adoption and publication of an address to the people of the Confederate States.
Resolved by the Congress of the Confederate States of America, That the address to the people of the Confederate States, prepared and reported by the joint committee of the two Houses, appointed for that purpose at the present session of Congress, be and the same is hereby adopted as an address of the Congress of the Confederate States to the people of said States; (*) and that forty thousand copies of <ar129_140> said address be printed, with the names of the members of this Congress present at the time of its adoption.
Approved February 17, 1864.
Although the Address of Congress to the people of the Confederate States is not dated, this resolution would indicate that the address was issued on, or just before Feb. 17. 1864.

 

[mobile_96]

How politically astute, in the South where the overwhelming majority of blacks lived.

So you think voting rights would not apply to blacks in the non-Confederate states??

 

[CSA Today]

So you think voting rights would not apply to blacks in the non-Confederate states??

I think there weren't enough black votes there to matter.

 

[unionblue]

I think this thread, entitled Confederate War Aims, is finished, as we are into many other topics and subjects that do not fit under this title/subject.

 

[jackt62]

How politically astute, in the South where the overwhelming majority of blacks lived.

Well, that sure is the cynical view.

 

[leftyhunter]

There was a black US senator from the South (Mississippi) a hundred years before there was a black US Senator from the North (Massachusetts).

Thanks to Reconstruction yes but not afterwards.
Leftyhunter

 

[Rebforever]

Nobody has claimed that Lincoln believed in social equality between blacks and whites. But his thinking most certainly evolved during the war to the point where he would recognize the obligation of bestowing political rights (voting, etc.) on a freed Black population.

As long as they stayed away from him. Any differing thoughts from Lincoln are genuine Political.

 

[CSA Today]

Thanks to Reconstruction yes but not afterwards.
Leftyhunter

Yeah and how long did it take to get a US senator in the self-proclaimed enlightened and righteous North?

 

[CSA Today]

As long as they stayed away from him. Any differing thoughts from Lincoln are genuine Political.

One of the Confederate war aims surely had to have been to be rid of these self-serving Yankee hypocrites.