1860 Spencer questions

[JeanKS]

I'm new to the site and hoping to get help identifying a couple of Civil War era guns that my Dad owned (will do separate posts on them). He had an 1860 Spencer, Rifle Co. Boston Patt March 1860. The serial # is 50833 or 50633 (have photo) so asking if it might be traceable. The letters "OGP" are stamped in the metal on right side and on the left side of the stock. Would this be an inspector stamp? I searched a couple of Springfield inspector lists, but did not find these initials. My dad said that he bought the Spencer in 1945 from a farm neighbor in southeast Kansas - paid $1.50 for it. One of dad's grandsons would like the gun so I'm trying to collect a little history info and approximate value so the grandson knows what it is and takes good care of it. Thanks for any help.

 

[Mr. King]

Welcome, from Tennessee.

You will get more than a few good answers shortly.

 

[Hussar Yeomanry]

Welcome from the UK and from The First Bull Run/ Manassas Forum

(I am sure that the relevant experts will be along shortly)

 

[redbob]

I've never seen inspector's stamps stamped that heavy or that big, they may be the initials of a previous owner.

 

[JeanKS]

I've never seen inspector's stamps stamped that heavy or that big, the may be the initials of a previous owner.

I wondered if that might be the case and will be looking through the census, local GAR lists and land records to see if I can track down the possible owner/family. Several families/former soldiers came to that part of Kansas after the war for the land grants

 

[WJC]

Welcome! Thanks for sharing the photos of a great family heirloom! The markings in question, "OGP", look 'recent'. Perhaps a former owner's initials or an armory marking. Are there any markings on the stock?

 

[JeanKS]

Welcome! Thanks for sharing the photos of a great family heirloom! The markings in question, "OGP", look 'recent'. Perhaps a former owner's initials or an armory marking. Are there any markings on the stock?

All I could find on the stock was OGP. I've inspected it a few times to see if I've overlooked anything, but nothing else seems obvious. Will keep looking at it though!

 

[Jobe Holiday]

The markings of "OGP" on the frame and stock are most assuredly the initials of some previous owner. It is a very nice thing you are doing for the grandson!
J.

 

[ibgreen]

May I suggest that you post your question over at the Spencer Shooting Society web board at the CAS city website.

 

[UCVRelics]

Welcome From The Heart Of Dixie. Below are the SRS # covering both sets of # you listed. Can you post a photo of the underneath with the load lever in the down position?
5060360C 030165CO A 7TH IND VOL CAV
5060960C 030165CO A 7TH IND VOL CAV
5061360C 65CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5064160C 022865CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5065660C 65CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5065760C 65CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5065960C 022865CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5066060C 65CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5068760C 022865CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5070760C 65CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5072260C 022865CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5073960C 03 65CO E 7TH IND VOL CAV
5073960C 111265CO E 7TH IND VOL CAV (ISSUED)
5074860C 65CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5078860C 030265CO C 7TH IND VOL CAV
5081660C 030165CO B 7TH IND VOL CAV
5082060C 65CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5082660C 03 65CO D 7TH IND VOL CAV
5082960C 111265CO E 7TH IND VOL CAV (ISSUED)
5083760C 03 65CO E 7TH IND VOL CAV
5084760C 030265CO C 7TH IND VOL CAV
5085760C 03 65CO D 7TH IND VOL CAV
5086160C 03 65CO D 7TH IND VOL CAV
5086260C 03 65CO E 7TH IND VOL CAV
5086360C 030265CO C 7TH IND VOL CAV
5086860C 030265CO C 7TH IND VOL CAV
5087460C 03 65CO E 7TH IND VOL CAV
5088560C 111265CO E 7TH IND VOL CAV (ISSUED)
5088660C 030165CO A 7TH IND VOL CAV
5088960C 65CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5089660C 030265CO C 7TH IND VOL CAV
5089660C 111265CO E 7TH IND VOL CAV (ISSUED)
5089860C 030265CO C 7TH IND VOL CAV

 

[JeanKS]

May I suggest that you post your question over at the Spencer Shooting Society web board at the CAS city website.

I wanted to do that but the registration has been temporarily disabled for a few weeks. Hopefully, it's back up soon. I did read posts on that forum which has helped a lot.

 

[JeanKS]

Welcome From The Heart Of Dixie. Below are the SRS # covering both sets of # you listed. Can you post a photo of the underneath with the load lever in the down position?
5060360C 030165CO A 7TH IND VOL CAV
5060960C 030165CO A 7TH IND VOL CAV
5061360C 65CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5064160C 022865CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5065660C 65CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5065760C 65CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5065960C 022865CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5066060C 65CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5068760C 022865CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5070760C 65CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5072260C 022865CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5073960C 03 65CO E 7TH IND VOL CAV
5073960C 111265CO E 7TH IND VOL CAV (ISSUED)
5074860C 65CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5078860C 030265CO C 7TH IND VOL CAV
5081660C 030165CO B 7TH IND VOL CAV
5082060C 65CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5082660C 03 65CO D 7TH IND VOL CAV
5082960C 111265CO E 7TH IND VOL CAV (ISSUED)
5083760C 03 65CO E 7TH IND VOL CAV
5084760C 030265CO C 7TH IND VOL CAV
5085760C 03 65CO D 7TH IND VOL CAV
5086160C 03 65CO D 7TH IND VOL CAV
5086260C 03 65CO E 7TH IND VOL CAV
5086360C 030265CO C 7TH IND VOL CAV
5086860C 030265CO C 7TH IND VOL CAV
5087460C 03 65CO E 7TH IND VOL CAV
5088560C 111265CO E 7TH IND VOL CAV (ISSUED)
5088660C 030165CO A 7TH IND VOL CAV
5088960C 65CO F 2ND WISC VOL CAV
5089660C 030265CO C 7TH IND VOL CAV
5089660C 111265CO E 7TH IND VOL CAV (ISSUED)
5089860C 030265CO C 7TH IND VOL CAV

Thank you! I'm researching the names of men who lived on neighboring farms to my dad's family. Slim chance, but it would be interesting if I find one who served or descended from a 2nd WISC or 7th IND soldier. It just adds more meaning to the story. I'm posting a couple of photos - are these what you mean? I did see an "M" stamp and maybe lettering underneath the bolt, but it's hard to tell for sure.

 

[UCVRelics]

I wanted to see if it had a Stabler cutoff which was a device that made it a single shot.
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/spencer-question.149506/#post-1886272

 

[JeanKS]

I wanted to see if it had a Stabler cutoff which was a device that made it a single shot.
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/spencer-question.149506/#post-1886272

Sorry, I took another picture to better show that area and read the linked posts. The butt plate also is the same as the 1860 photo in that thread. I appreciate the info ..

 

[Story]

Welcome! Thanks for sharing the photos of a great family heirloom! The markings in question, "OGP", look 'recent'. Perhaps a former owner's initials or an armory marking. Are there any markings on the stock?

Or some sort of late 19th century Police department marking.

 

[JOHN42768]

Welcome, enjoy

 

[Jobe Holiday]

I would recommend seating the hammer fully onto the tumbler square and then tighten the hammer screw. By being so far out of position on the tumbler square is the reason the side of the firing pin striker has been chipped off.
J.