Edged Wpns 1860 Scabbard Drag

[bayonet]

Well today I got a closer look at that Bleckmann scabbard ucvrelics sent link to relicman (link opened today). I was about to say I'm confused now since the drag matched closely to mine BUT then I noticed one thing. The small screw at the scabbards opening. That's absent on mine. So guess I'll still stick to it's a AMES scabbard. Jim

 

[James N.]

Thank You mate.
I an not really a collector (yet,lol), but have had a fascination with knives,swords, and all other pointy things. I remember dreaming as a little kid about the Rifleman's riffle, but it was the broken sabre in the Chuck Connors series, Branded that really got me. I dreamed of that thing many times. So my recent find is almost a "dream" come true, even if it isn't authentic.il I posted several pics in another thread. I am not yet sure how to navigate this platform, or I would send you there. I will probably work on the sword and scabbord and show my progress on that thread.
Again, thanks.

Cheers

I also remember Branded; if you like questionable but completely authentic broken Confederate pieces, then you might like this one too:

https://civilwartalk.com/threads/a-...-or-cane-knife-by-nashville-plow-works.81489/

 

[James N.]

I also wanted to say that I would appreciate your thoughts on my find.
Thanks.

I like all three of them; I once owned a Tiffany like yours too, but sold it at auction when I thinned out my collection several years ago.

 

[Geowassung]

I also remember Branded; if you like questionable but completely authentic broken Confederate pieces, then you might like this one too:

https://civilwartalk.com/threads/a-...-or-cane-knife-by-nashville-plow-works.81489/

Thanks, awesome thread and pics. It has some definite similarities. I would like some of those who replied to your thread opinions on my find.
Is that one foot sale? Asking for a friend.
Lol, cheers.

 

[Geowassung]

I like all three of them; I once owned a Tiffany like yours too, but sold it at auction when I thinned out my collection several years ago.

So mine is called a Tiffany?

 

[Cavalier]

Wasn't the item that JEB Stuart invented a hook attached to the belt that would prevent the dragging issue? I thought Sam Elliott, playing Buford in the Gettysburg movie, used this device in a scene from that movie. While walking, he lifts the saber up, turns it around and hooks it to his belt. The saber now rides higher on his waist, the hilt toward his rear and the tip to his front.

John

 

[bobinwmass]

So mine is called a Tiffany?

Hi Geo - No, your sword is not a Tiffany. It sometimes gets confusing when a member starts asking questions on someone else's thread. I'm sure James N thought he was replying to this threads creator, whose photos included a Tiffany, when he mentioned a Tiffany. Unfortunately your sword, which you did start a separate thread on, is exactly what one member reported, a fantasy or replica piece, and not an original or accurate reproduction. Perhaps it dates to the Civil War centennial, which may explain its aged and battered look. If newer it may have been aged to pass off as original. But at the price you paid, no harm, no foul, and its a nice looking wall hanger.

 

[Geowassung]

Hi Geo - No, your sword is not a Tiffany. It sometimes gets confusing when a member starts asking questions on someone else's thread. I'm sure James N thought he was replying to this threads creator, whose photos included a Tiffany, when he mentioned a Tiffany. Unfortunately your sword, which you did start a separate thread on, is exactly what one member reported, a fantasy or replica piece, and not an original or accurate reproduction. Perhaps it dates to the Civil War centennial, which may explain its aged and battered look. If newer it may have been aged to pass off as original. But at the price you paid, no harm, no foul, and its a nice looking wall hanger.

After looking back at the post I agree with you I was a bit jumpy with my question about the Tiffany and then I read a little bit more about Tiffany company and and that other article about the broken sword. And as you say regardless of what it is, I'm still excited about it and it will be a great wall hanger. My kids think it's coo, so it's okay to be the cool dad for a little bit.

 

[James N.]

Hi Geo - No, your sword is not a Tiffany. It sometimes gets confusing when a member starts asking questions on someone else's thread. I'm sure James N thought he was replying to this threads creator, whose photos included a Tiffany, when he mentioned a Tiffany. Unfortunately your sword, which you did start a separate thread on, is exactly what one member reported, a fantasy or replica piece, and not an original or accurate reproduction. Perhaps it dates to the Civil War centennial, which may explain its aged and battered look. If newer it may have been aged to pass off as original. But at the price you paid, no harm, no foul, and its a nice looking wall hanger.

Bingo! Mea culpa.

 

[James N.]

Wasn't the item that JEB Stuart invented a hook attached to the belt that would prevent the dragging issue? I thought Sam Elliott, playing Buford in the Gettysburg movie, used this device in a scene from that movie. While walking, he lifts the saber up, turns it around and hooks it to his belt. The saber now rides higher on his waist, the hilt toward his rear and the tip to his front.

John

You're correct about Stuart's patent for a belt hook/suspender device, but I don't think any were manufactured until AFTER the war. What you're understandably mistaking in Gettysburg is the simple action of hooking up the top ring of the scabbard to a small hook attached for the purpose to the waistbelt. As I indicated previously, however, although this was the preferred military method, many green volunteers (who vastly outnumbered the Regulars during the war) continued to drag and bang theirs around as a means of getting attention! The saber was supposed to hang loose whenever the trooper or officer was mounted - it was easier to reach across the body and down with the right hand and get hold of the grip that way. When the rider dismounted a savvy soldier would automatically grab and lift his sword with his left hand, turn the hilt to the rear out of his way, and hook it up with the scabbard pointing forward beside his knee.

Edit: Stuart's patent as I recall was for a brass suspension piece that the saber straps were attached directly to, the entire thing hooking onto the waist belt making it easy to remove saber, straps, and all.

 

[Cavalier]

James N. Thank you very much for your helpful information. This has confused me, (not difficult to accomplish), for years.

They are many illustrations of Napoleonic era cavalrymen, especially hussars, with their sabers dragging on the ground. I'm sure any dashing young cavalryman would want to look the part. I know I would have if I was one.

John