Perryville Understanding Perryville.

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I have studied the 16th Tennessee - for all practical purposes - my whole life. One battle that they were heavily involved in was Perryville.

For anyone that doesn't know the story there - Polk extended his lines to the north to gain the flank of the Federal army and sent Cheatham's division into the fray first. The plan was supposed to be to crush the Federal left flank and roll up the enemy corps from right to left. As a kid, I read account after account of their actions there in various early post-war history books, and gained what I thought to be an ample understanding of events at that battle regarding the 16th TN. However, as I grew older and discovered modern books by more recent historians that regurgitated their comprehension of the story, I couldn't help but notice that none of their conclusions about what the 16th did there were in concert with the accounts of the men in the ranks and/or friendly units adjacent to them as well as Federal accounts.

Comprehending a battlefield is hard enough for the men on it or leading the men on it - and just as tough is writing about something when you weren't there. I have long believed that historians often rely too strongly on corps and division reports and rarely search deep into the regimental level - but I believe if we did so, it is far easier to gain a better understanding of the battlefield. What unit was where - who was to their right or left - what units they engaged.

However, this search can't stop at the unit in question. It has to extend to the units that were on their right and left. After an exhaustive search within the histories of those units at the same battle, we might gather pertinent information relative to the regiment in question. This is what has happened in my case with the Sixteenth Tennessee.

Like I said, while early post-war books related the regiment's experiences in one way, modern 21st century revisions actually have managed to change history! Not the outcome of a battle of course - but the unfolding of events.

In the Sixteenth Tennessee's case for instance, the regiment was ORIGINALLY interpreted as attacking the extreme right flank of the Federal army and being caught in a horrific cross-fire for nearly thirty minutes until Maney's brigade came to their relief. With this additional support, the regiment and Maney's brigade were able to seize the guns of Parsons' battery on Open Knob. It was a blood bath and related as such by the men who fought on the extreme right.

The NEWER versions of the 16th's experiences - apparently incorrectly - relate (based off modern scholarship that differs dramatically from written word by the men who were there...) that the 16th was ordered to attack a position that was thought to be the Union flank but was in fact (according to modern scholarship) the Union CENTER!

I could accept this version of events - if I wasn't absolutely convinced of otherwise by eyewitness testimony. Undeniable evidence from Colonel Savage of the 16th, numerous men in his ranks, General George Maney, Marcus Toney of the 1st TN in Maney's brigade and at least two men in Stewart's brigade correctly (and I say correctly because they were there) relate the true experiences of the men of the 16th Tennessee that day.

They all relate that the Sixteenth initially went into action as the extreme right most unit that day. They were the first Confederate unit to be heavily engaged, and although their original axis of advance was off spot - they received a correction to their direction in the protection of a defilade position. They then advance on the TRUE left flank of Jackson's Union division and were heavily engaged with the 123rd Illinois and Parsons' battery for no less than thirty minutes before the arrival of Maney's brigade on their immediate right that had been instructed that Donelson (the 16th's brigade commander) was in immediate need of support.

I will post some of the evidence - if not all of it in a following post. But this is one example of modern scholarship perhaps cutting corners. Battles are big. They are not easy to comprehend - however, it will be shown that some of the most crucial information can be found at the regimental level and pieced together that can clarify nearly incomprehensible actions.

Stay tuned.
 
Hey, I have a question who exactly "Won" the battle of Perryville, i believe its considered a draw, but who do most historians perceive as the victor in this battle?
 
Hey, I have a question who exactly "Won" the battle of Perryville, i believe its considered a draw, but who do most historians perceive as the victor in this battle?

Description: Confederate Gen. Braxton Bragg's autumn 1862 invasion of Kentucky had reached the outskirts of Louisville and Cincinnati, but he was forced to retreat and regroup. On October 7, the Federal army of Maj. Gen. Don Carlos Buell, numbering nearly 55,000, converged on the small crossroads town of Perryville, Kentucky, in three columns. Union forces first skirmished with Rebel cavalry on the Springfield Pike before the fighting became more general, on Peters Hill, as the grayclad infantry arrived. The next day, at dawn, fighting began again around Peters Hill as a Union division advanced up the pike, halting just before the Confederate line. The fighting then stopped for a time. After noon, a Confederate division struck the Union left flank and forced it to fall back. When more Confederate divisions joined the fray, the Union line made a stubborn stand, counterattacked, but finally fell back with some troops routed. Buell did not know of the happenings on the field, or he would have sent forward some reserves. Even so, the Union troops on the left flank, reinforced by two brigades, stabilized their line, and the Rebel attack sputtered to a halt. Later, a Rebel brigade assaulted the Union division on the Springfield Pike but was repulsed and fell back into Perryville. The Yankees pursued, and skirmishing occurred in the streets in the evening before dark. Union reinforcements were threatening the Rebel left flank by now. Bragg, short of men and supplies, withdrew during the night, and, after pausing at Harrodsburg, continued the Confederate retrograde by way of Cumberland Gap into East Tennessee. The Confederate offensive was over, and the Union controlled Kentucky.
http://www.nps.gov/hps/abpp/battles/ky009.htm
 
Description: Confederate Gen. Braxton Bragg's autumn 1862 invasion of Kentucky had reached the outskirts of Louisville and Cincinnati, but he was forced to retreat and regroup. On October 7, the Federal army of Maj. Gen. Don Carlos Buell, numbering nearly 55,000, converged on the small crossroads town of Perryville, Kentucky, in three columns. Union forces first skirmished with Rebel cavalry on the Springfield Pike before the fighting became more general, on Peters Hill, as the grayclad infantry arrived. The next day, at dawn, fighting began again around Peters Hill as a Union division advanced up the pike, halting just before the Confederate line. The fighting then stopped for a time. After noon, a Confederate division struck the Union left flank and forced it to fall back. When more Confederate divisions joined the fray, the Union line made a stubborn stand, counterattacked, but finally fell back with some troops routed. Buell did not know of the happenings on the field, or he would have sent forward some reserves. Even so, the Union troops on the left flank, reinforced by two brigades, stabilized their line, and the Rebel attack sputtered to a halt. Later, a Rebel brigade assaulted the Union division on the Springfield Pike but was repulsed and fell back into Perryville. The Yankees pursued, and skirmishing occurred in the streets in the evening before dark. Union reinforcements were threatening the Rebel left flank by now. Bragg, short of men and supplies, withdrew during the night, and, after pausing at Harrodsburg, continued the Confederate retrograde by way of Cumberland Gap into East Tennessee. The Confederate offensive was over, and the Union controlled Kentucky.
http://www.nps.gov/hps/abpp/battles/ky009.htm

Thanks so Strategic Union Victory, like Antietam.
 
Hey, I have a question who exactly "Won" the battle of Perryville, i believe its considered a draw, but who do most historians perceive as the victor in this battle?
The Union got whupped up on severiously, but the Confederates left the field. I've seen it described as a tactical loss for the Union, but a strategic loss for the Confederacy. It ended the Confederate invasion of Kentucky.

It's a battlefield almost as interesting as Antietam; that is, important in its own right. And as pristine. Perryville is about the size of Sharpsburg; that is, no place to stay and few places to buy lunch. (Last time I was there, lunch was at the Standard or the Marathon. I don't know what things are like in Virginia, but in Kentucky and Tennessee, most all gas stations have a buffet table.)

Been there three times and still can't get my head around it. As I recall, it was almost a "meeting engagement."
 
Nowadays I'm almost ashamed to admit that I never visited the Perryville battlefield when I lived in KY. It's one of those regrets we all have. I often wonder about that battle and the whole Bragg invasion campaign and it's in my bag of what if sort of things. What might have happened to KY if there'd been no invasion ? What if Bragg had won ?

I'm more knowledgeable of social history than military history but Perryville, I think, maybe doesn't get as much attention as it should. Thanks to all for the education.
 
...It's a battlefield almost as interesting as Antietam; that is, important in its own right. And as pristine. Perryville is about the size of Sharpsburg; that is, no place to stay and few places to buy lunch. (Last time I was there, lunch was at the Standard or the Marathon. I don't know what things are like in Virginia, but in Kentucky and Tennessee, most all gas stations have a buffet table.)...

Definitely an A-1 battlefield. And there's even a little diner (or perhaps sandwich shop, or hot dog stand?) in town now too. But I was last there during their 150th reenactment, so I got vendor food at the battlefield instead.
 
Definitely an A-1 battlefield. And there's even a little diner in town now too. (But I was last there during their 150th reenactment, so I got vendor food from the battlefield instead).
Kentucky must be applauded for its citizens' enthusiasm in supporting its CW sites. Perryville is not an NPS battlefield-- it's all Kentucky's. Particularly so in that Perryville is in the middle of nowhere and nobody profits from the visitors.
 
This is probably the most important battlefield I have yet to visit even though I once owned a Confederate foot officer's sword said to have been a "relic of the battle of Perryville." ( It was NOT in relic condition. )
 
Like I said, while early post-war books related the regiment's experiences in one way, modern 21st century revisions actually have managed to change history! Not the outcome of a battle of course - but the unfolding of events.

Unfortunately, historians are no less infallible or more perfect than the rest of us. I've often scratched my head at how bias or reputation can distort historians' views. Bragg's Kentucky campaign is a perfect example, especially when compared with Lee's Maryland campaign.

Both Bragg and Lee were disappointed in the show of support from Kentuckians and Marylanders. Bragg read this as meaning "hmmm, we won't have help from the populace, recruits won't come pouring in and we won't have friendly militia to protect this long supply line I've got. This place is not worth risking the army for. I'll create as much alarm as I can, then back out with my army intact." This is what he did, too. Somehow, historians have come to view that as an abject failure. Compare it to Lee, who risked the annihilation of his army in a battle in an area where the populace was at best indifferent, at worst hostile to his troops. In the end, his campaign resulted in withdrawal, same as Bragg's, yet Lee's campaign cost the south dearly in manpower. So who was the better general in the autumn of 1862?

Also, historians often fault Bragg for not following up on the initial success of the battle at Perryville; others fault him for allowing his army to stumble into a battle at all. To Bragg's credit, he made a strategic decision to not risk (or invest) large casualties in Kentucky. Compare that to Lee at Gettysburg. His troops stumbled into a battle. As we all know, he chose to let it happen and then try to build on it....to disastrous results. Had he pulled back into Maryland, Lee might well have been accused by historians as throwing away the success of July 1. But would that not have been the right call? That's what Bragg did. Sometimes the right decision is a hard one and is second guessed mercilessly.

So, at least in Kentucky, I say bully for Bragg.
 
Unfortunately, historians are no less infallible or more perfect than the rest of us. I've often scratched my head at how bias or reputation can distort historians' views. Bragg's Kentucky campaign is a perfect example, especially when compared with Lee's Maryland campaign.

Both Bragg and Lee were disappointed in the show of support from Kentuckians and Marylanders. Bragg read this as meaning "hmmm, we won't have help from the populace, recruits won't come pouring in and we won't have friendly militia to protect this long supply line I've got. This place is not worth risking the army for. I'll create as much alarm as I can, then back out with my army intact." This is what he did, too. Somehow, historians have come to view that as an abject failure. Compare it to Lee, who risked the annihilation of his army in a battle in an area where the populace was at best indifferent, at worst hostile to his troops. In the end, his campaign resulted in withdrawal, same as Bragg's, yet Lee's campaign cost the south dearly in manpower. So who was the better general in the autumn of 1862?

Also, historians often fault Bragg for not following up on the initial success of the battle at Perryville; others fault him for allowing his army to stumble into a battle at all. To Bragg's credit, he made a strategic decision to not risk (or invest) large casualties in Kentucky. Compare that to Lee at Gettysburg. His troops stumbled into a battle. As we all know, he chose to let it happen and then try to build on it....to disastrous results. Had he pulled back into Maryland, Lee might well have been accused by historians as throwing away the success of July 1. But would that not have been the right call? That's what Bragg did. Sometimes the right decision is a hard one and is second guessed mercilessly.

So, at least in Kentucky, I say bully for Bragg.

Braxton Bragg was detested by his men and many of his officers while George McClellan was generally like by his men and most of his officers, but despite that dissimilarity I have often thought Bragg had certain similarities with McClellan in that they were both good organizers but poor at following up on it during campaigning. If anyone was adept at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory it would be Bragg and McClellan. Bragg at Murpheesborough and not being more innovative after his victory at Chickamauga. McClellan during the Peninsula Campaign (especially retreating after Malvern Hill) and not doing more at and after Sharpsburg despite having adequate reserves to do so.
At Perryville, Bragg had no choice but to retreat after enemy reinforcement began to arrive, he had gone too far from home with too few men and supplies and risked having his army destroyed had he remained despite initial tactical success. One can make the case that Bragg had no business getting in such a predicament in the first place, but to have any chance of winning the war, the Confederate needed to take risks in hopes of catching the enemy off guard, but Braxton Bragg was definitely not the risk taker needed for so desperate adventures.
 

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