J. Johnston Trying to understand J.E.Johnston

I haven't read anything specific to Jos. Johnston, but my readings of Civil War history in general have left me wondering whether he was in some ways a realist. The Lee-Jackson aggressive tactics could certainly beat down timid Union commanders and rouse up the popular spirit among the Confederate populace, but they accelerated casualties, depleting human resources quickly. Johnston was more conservative in the use of his forces. He preferred to give up ground and to be prepared to take advantage of military opportunities when they presented themselves. In the long run, drawing out the war gave the northern population more time to get sick of the conflict and increased the chances that England or France might offer support to the beleaguered Confederacy. Just a thought -- call it a hypothesis...
AR
I think you're right in that Johnston or any Confederate general wasn't going to win the war. General's are an important factor in fighting a conventional war but not the most important factor. Motivated manpower, training, up-to-date military technology and of course logistics is far more important then having a particular general although of course poor leadership leads to poor results.
As we all know the Confederacy had a limited demographic manpower pool to draw on plus limited ability to be self sufficient in military production and generally inferior ability to meet its logistical needs.
The majority of successful sides in civil wars receive foreign assistance vs just cash and carry for needed supplies plus the Union Navy largely cut off the Confederacy from foreign military imports more so as the war dragged on.
Confederate generals made mistakes just like all generals in all wars do but overall they did the best they could with the resources at hand.
Leftyhunter
 
Steven H. Newton, Joseph E. Johnston and the Defense of Richmond, Kansas U. Press, 1998, 278 pages.

The author is admittedly pro-Johnston, but the period in question is dominated by Johnston's personality and military intentions. I think it will provide a good foundation for studying the same man in the West.
 
I recently purchased a used copy of "Joseph E. Johnston, A Civil War Biography," by Craig L. Symonds. It is over 400 pages in length, includes maps, and has the appearance and potential for being an authoritative work. Alas, I have not yet read it and cannot recommend it.

I have read it and thought it was both thorough and enjoyable. I used it quite a bit when doing research for my novel Shattered Nation, in which Johnston is a primary character. I emailed a bit with Symonds during that time and he was always both polite and helpful.
 
Johnston's operational style during the Atlanta Campaign was flawed (Snake Creek Gap was unforgivable), but I don't know that his strategy - preserve the strength of the army by giving ground, while looking for the opportunity for a counterstrike - was fundamentally unsound. He did not inflict nearly as many casualties on Sherman as Lee did on Grant, but then neither did he lose as many men as Lee lost.
 
I have read it and thought it was both thorough and enjoyable. I used it quite a bit when doing research for my novel Shattered Nation, in which Johnston is a primary character. I emailed a bit with Symonds during that time and he was always both polite and helpful.
Now I need to look and see what your book seems like, and whether I should acquire it. (I have authored only one book, a historical fiction novel about the Rev. War (about 80% real history), titled "Over the Mountains to Freedom." It's about the overmountain men of course who fought at King's Mountain. I originally intended to write 3 or 4 such Rev. War books, but became overtaken with events and life, and canceled the idea. As you know, Research takes too much time if one wants to be accurate.
 
Johnston's operational style during the Atlanta Campaign was flawed (Snake Creek Gap was unforgivable), but I don't know that his strategy - preserve the strength of the army by giving ground, while looking for the opportunity for a counterstrike - was fundamentally unsound. He did not inflict nearly as many casualties on Sherman as Lee did on Grant, but then neither did he lose as many men as Lee lost.
I think the overarching problem - as I pointed out - was leaving Davis, Bragg, et al to assume he had no intentions of holding even Atlanta.

If he did intend to strike in front of Atlanta (as he claimed a few months later), that means that his "line in the sand" was Atlanta. But Johnston already had a history of keeping his C-in-C in the dark. He did it just before Seven Pines and again at Vicksburg. So he deliberately created the circumstances that led to his firing.

If he did NOT intend to counterstrike at Atlanta, then when? At some point you're "counterstriking" to preserve pretty much nothing.
 
One small observation I might add. In Johnston's Narrative of the May 27, 1864 battle of Pickett's Mill, he was one of the very few who had an understanding of what actually happened there. I mean an depth/comprehensive understanding. Few others did, save a few such as Adjt. Alexis Cope and Ambrose Bierce. He seems a very intelligent and honest man from what I have read. He had the deck severely stacked against him in the Atlanta Campaign. Beyond saying that Castel's Decision in The West seems to offer a good assessment Johnston, I will defer to the more knowledgeable recommendations offered above.
 
Now I need to look and see what your book seems like, and whether I should acquire it. (I have authored only one book, a historical fiction novel about the Rev. War (about 80% real history), titled "Over the Mountains to Freedom." It's about the overmountain men of course who fought at King's Mountain. I originally intended to write 3 or 4 such Rev. War books, but became overtaken with events and life, and canceled the idea. As you know, Research takes too much time if one wants to be accurate.
I found the book, Shattered Nation (an alternate history of the American Civil War) used, at a slightly high price for a used book, but will look for a better price and proceed.
 
I haven't read anything specific to Jos. Johnston, but my readings of Civil War history in general have left me wondering whether he was in some ways a realist. The Lee-Jackson aggressive tactics could certainly beat down timid Union commanders and rouse up the popular spirit among the Confederate populace, but they accelerated casualties, depleting human resources quickly. Johnston was more conservative in the use of his forces. He preferred to give up ground and to be prepared to take advantage of military opportunities when they presented themselves. In the long run, drawing out the war gave the northern population more time to get sick of the conflict and increased the chances that England or France might offer support to the beleaguered Confederacy. Just a thought -- call it a hypothesis...
AR
It's a good hypothesis that I have also wondered about as I have often wondered if Davis and the confederate people didn't have unrealistic expectations. Initially they thought they could win independence bloodlessly. All the appeasement produced by their bullying left them with confused notions. They thought the blood from the war would fit in a thimble. They thought the Northern men were cowards and poltroons who wouldn't fight, etc.

Live to fight another day is a good strategy for someone who doesn't want to be conquered. The problem, the real problem was slavery. If the Southern Confederacy had done away with slavery they had a chance, but of course the preservation and extension of slavery is what they were fighting for ("their way of life" the cornerstone of their society).

Northern armies advancing untrammeled everywhere resisted only in opportunistic ambushes sounds fine in theory except that these armies were wrecking slavery and the southern home front wherever they went.

Because Johnston never had the full trust from Davis it's difficult for me to judge him fairly, and I also don't know him enough. The men respected him, he was supported among the soldiers. After the war there were famous generals who spoke well of him. That's about all I can say. The generals in the west were all defeated. Johnston did well enough to not be defeated, not get in fights he didn't have the best chance of winning. Did he have Davis' support like Bragg did? No. I need to read more to form a better opinion.
 
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John Beauchamp Jones once said of Johnston (after he had been supplanted by Hood): If Sherman's campaign should be a success, Johnston will be a hero; if the reverse, he will sink to rise no more. A sad condition, for one's greatness to depend upon calamity to his country!
 
It's a good hypothesis that I have also wondered about as I have often wondered if Davis and the confederate people didn't have unrealistic expectations. Initially they thought they could win independence bloodlessly. All the appeasement produced by their bullying left them with confused notions. They thought the blood from the war would fit in a thimble. They thought the Northern men were cowards and poltroons who wouldn't fight, etc.

Such claims were the work of newspaper journalists and party platforms.

Davis, a former Secretary of War of the United States, was aware a war would be tremendous in scale and bloodshed. In his speech of January 10, 1861 in the US Senate he warned the opponents of the Southern democracy in the US Government that interfering with the secession of the South would lead to a Civil War on a scale they couldn't imagine.

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Several weeks into the war, in June, 1861, Mary Chesnut discussed the situation with him as Confederate President. In her diary she says the war was already too long. Davis, she said, suggested and long and painful struggle against the manhood of the North.

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Davis was evidently not a "secessionist per se." In other words he was not inclined to the theoretical metaphysics of the arch-secessionists, who were convinced the north was paralyzed by political factions and divisions, etc. and would not take up the gauntlet, etc. But at the head of the Southern Confederate government, he was charged with defending its territory in the manner outlined by its ruling party. He pressed that program to its conclusion.


Live to fight another day is a good strategy for someone who doesn't want to be conquered. The problem, the real problem was slavery. If the Southern Confederacy had done away with slavery they had a chance, but of course the preservation and extension of slavery is what they were fighting for ("their way of life" the cornerstone of their society).

Northern armies advancing untrammeled everywhere resisted only in opportunistic ambushes sounds fine in theory except that these armies were wrecking slavery and the southern home front wherever they went.

Indeed. As mentioned the situation of the Southern Confederacy was distinct. The Confederacy officially declared itself as NOT revolutionary, but a functional de facto territorial government from inception, determined to defend its lengthy borders to prove it (recall Davis each year kept pressing the armies to, and beyond, the border States).

They were particularly determined to maintain their internal security entire, not only to defend the institutions, but to ensure the Europeans that they were a de facto authority; and thus a somewhat safe investment for the banks and businesses of Europe; and encourage foreign recognition. The British remained neutral but somewhat accepted the Confederate's claim of de facto status for their own purposes (for example at the close of the war they sequestered and secured Confederate property, accounts, etc. in Britain rather than turning them over to the USA). The US Government never conceded the Confederacy was a de facto government; having never abandoned its forts in the secession crisis, and keeping troops therein to "enforce the laws of the Union" etc. From the British view:

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From Shortridge v. Mason, 1868, the US courts noted the USA never conceded the Confederacy was a de facto government, excluding its jurisdiction by force of arms from the South.

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Long story short, had the Confederacy been less determined to seek foreign alliances, and approval at home and abroad, and as a territorial authority struggling to establish itself as a de facto government, over the region to protect its institutions, people, and property entire, perhaps it might not have expended manpower and resources in such quantity to defend its vast borders, and its cities in the way it did.

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Had the Confederate resources been employed instead in a strictly revolutionary policy, Johnston's fabian strategy might perhaps have been much more advantageous; perhaps somewhat in the mode of General Washington's in the 1700s, or Garibaldi recently in Italy. But again, that would have been in opposition to the ruling party, and its "statesmen, philosophers and philanthropists" as VP Stephens noted later.

If Johnston personally was unable to fight campaigns unfettered by orders to defend fortified cities to the last, he was at least able to keep ancillary forces afoot in mobile warfare. For example General Forrest. Johnston as department commander in the west from late 1862 through July, 1864 who encouraged his free reign as a "cavalry corps" commander. From Wyeth on Forrest:

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You can imagine how a suggestion to "give up" the defense of Mississippi went over in Davis' mind. But again, as Confederate President, he understood his job was to defend territory at all costs.

Because Johnston never had the full trust from Davis it's difficult for me to judge him fairly, and I also don't know him enough. The men respected him, he was supported among the soldiers. After the war there were famous generals who spoke well of him. That's about all I can say. The generals in the west were all defeated. Johnston did well enough to not be defeated, not get in fights he didn't have the best chance of winning. Did he have the support of Bragg? No. I need to read more to from a better opinion.

The Confederate soldiers loved Uncle Joe Johnston like none other. I say this because, the enthusiasm and dedication ascribed to him was in spite of the lack of battlefield victories beyond Manassas, etc. But that might be part of the point, He was not trapped in the "Shiloh" cycle of pitched battles. Phil Stephenson of the Washington Artillery noted at Dalton in 1864 how Johnston transformed the beaten and demoralized Army of Tennessee in a few months into a force capable of fighting one of the great campaigns of history. The "100 days battle" as some of his veterans called it. In army reviews and inspections, Johnston rode down the line of every unit, glancing at each man, and unlike other commanders, would look the man right in the eyes. It was as if he made an unspoken contract with each soldier of his army that their lives would not be sold cheap. Where Johnston commanded, the corruption that robbed the troops of rations and clothing (and made men wealthy) was not welcome. Recall he had been the Quartermaster General of the US Army. So while the troops loved him, he was persona non grata to the party of "harpies."

Sam Watkins of the 1st Tennessee on Johnston assuming command in early 1864:

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Douglas J. Cater of the 3rd Texas recalled, "We loved him , we were proud to be commanded by so great and gifted a soldier."


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It's a good hypothesis that I have also wondered about as I have often wondered if Davis and the confederate people didn't have unrealistic expectations. Initially they thought they could win independence bloodlessly. All the appeasement produced by their bullying left them with confused notions. They thought the blood from the war would fit in a thimble. They thought the Northern men were cowards and poltroons who wouldn't fight, etc.

Live to fight another day is a good strategy for someone who doesn't want to be conquered. The problem, the real problem was slavery. If the Southern Confederacy had done away with slavery they had a chance, but of course the preservation and extension of slavery is what they were fighting for ("their way of life" the cornerstone of their society).

Northern armies advancing untrammeled everywhere resisted only in opportunistic ambushes sounds fine in theory except that these armies were wrecking slavery and the southern home front wherever they went.

Because Johnston never had the full trust from Davis it's difficult for me to judge him fairly, and I also don't know him enough. The men respected him, he was supported among the soldiers. After the war there were famous generals who spoke well of him. That's about all I can say. The generals in the west were all defeated. Johnston did well enough to not be defeated, not get in fights he didn't have the best chance of winning. Did he have Davis' support like Bragg did? No. I need to read more to form a better opinion.
The Confederacy should have come up with a plan that I'll call the "Freedom 1900 Plan" which would have guaranteed that all slaves would be freed by year 1900 (they might become sharecroppers, paid laborers, independent people, or some sent to Africa). Then the CSA could have asked for foreign intervention at least to the extent of the nations declaring for open access to Confederate ports.
 
The Confederacy should have come up with a plan that I'll call the "Freedom 1900 Plan" which would have guaranteed that all slaves would be freed by year 1900 (they might become sharecroppers, paid laborers, independent people, or some sent to Africa). Then the CSA could have asked for foreign intervention at least to the extent of the nations declaring for open access to Confederate ports.
I'll weigh in on Joseph E. Johnston after I finish reading the book "Joseph E. Johnston, A Civil War Biography," by Craig L. Symonds.
 
The Confederacy should have come up with a plan that I'll call the "Freedom 1900 Plan" which would have guaranteed that all slaves would be freed by year 1900 (they might become sharecroppers, paid laborers, independent people, or some sent to Africa). Then the CSA could have asked for foreign intervention at least to the extent of the nations declaring for open access to Confederate ports.
I think if they had been open to considering an eventual gradual emancipation, accompanied by legal rights that would bring the other races to parity within a reasonable time, say a generation, they wouldn't have felt so strongly about seceding to begin with.
 
I think if they had been open to considering an eventual gradual emancipation, accompanied by legal rights that would bring the other races to parity within a reasonable time, say a generation, they wouldn't have felt so strongly about seceding to begin with.
You are correct, of course, @SSVilla. My comment is a nonrealistic concept that would have been one of the very few avenues that might have led to Confederate independence (but as you implied it could not have occurred).
 
I think the overarching problem - as I pointed out - was leaving Davis, Bragg, et al to assume he had no intentions of holding even Atlanta.

If he did intend to strike in front of Atlanta (as he claimed a few months later), that means that his "line in the sand" was Atlanta. But Johnston already had a history of keeping his C-in-C in the dark. He did it just before Seven Pines and again at Vicksburg. So he deliberately created the circumstances that led to his firing.

If he did NOT intend to counterstrike at Atlanta, then when? At some point you're "counterstriking" to preserve pretty much nothing.
Was Johnston's hope that Sherman's invading army could not maintain its logistical connection back to Nashville and Memphis as it became longer? Normally Sherman would be expected to have to detach to protect his line and get weaker as his force got further south. But Sherman and Daniel McClallum seem to have had other plans.
 
The Confederacy should have come up with a plan that I'll call the "Freedom 1900 Plan" which would have guaranteed that all slaves would be freed by year 1900 (they might become sharecroppers, paid laborers, independent people, or some sent to Africa). Then the CSA could have asked for foreign intervention at least to the extent of the nations declaring for open access to Confederate ports.
That makes sense. But with the Confederates out of the US the power of the abolitionists was magnified. And the patience of the British with US slavery was running short.
 
John Beauchamp Jones once said of Johnston (after he had been supplanted by Hood): If Sherman's campaign should be a success, Johnston will be a hero; if the reverse, he will sink to rise no more. A sad condition, for one's greatness to depend upon calamity to his country!
By the time of the Atlanta campaign Sherman's army consisted of veterans who had consistently won. Thomas' Cumberland Army was a vast force that could not lose unless weakened by the types of mistakes George Thomas was never going to make. Schofield's Ohio army was almost a special forces unit. Nothing that happened after Johnston was relieved shows any evidence that his appraisal of the situation in Georgia was incorrect.
 
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