Lee Robert E. Lee - A Hero Every Child Should Know.

[Desert Kid]

I was born in Lea County, (named for Confederate Cpt. Joseph C. Lea, btw.), right on the NM/Texas line. I don't live there now, however. I still have family there though.

The only part of NM I've never been to is Chaves/Lea/Eddy counties. I've been literally everywhere else in that state. I've always wanted to visit Carlsbad Caverns and the UFO museum in Roswell. NMMI is my local college's football rivals too!

 

[Greyfalcon]

The only part of NM I've never been to is Chaves/Lea/Eddy counties. I've been literally everywhere else in that state. I've always wanted to visit Carlsbad Caverns and the UFO museum in Roswell. NMMI is my local college's football rivals too!

The state is pretty culturally divided, north and south, (I'm sure you probably already know that.), i.e., the black bean north vs. the pinto bean south. My people are typical of the area, white southerners who moved there and meshed with the local Latino culture. I've been and love, everywhere in the state. I've been to the caverns and urge you to go, if you get the chance. You cannot believe how awing they are, even if you've seen pictures of them. Cpt. Joseph C. Lea was the founder of NMMI, btw., the cactus VMI!

 

[Desert Kid]

The state is pretty culturally divided, north and south, (I'm sure you probably already know that.), i.e., the black bean north vs. the pinto bean south. My people are typical of the area, white southerners who moved there and meshed with the local Latino culture. I've been and love, everywhere in the state. I've been to the caverns and urge you to go, if you get the chance. You cannot believe how awing they are, even if you've seen pictures of them. Cpt. Joseph C. Lea was the founder of NMMI, btw., the cactus VMI!

I've been to Reserve, Glenwood, Silver City, Las Cruces, Ruidoso, TorC, Los Lunas, Albuquerque, Santa Fe, Farmington, Gallup, Taos and skirted past Las Vegas.

But I never been to that Southeast corner of the state.

 

[MattL]

I was born in Lea County, (named for Confederate Cpt. Joseph C. Lea, btw.), right on the NM/Texas line. I don't live there now, however. I still have family there though.

My mother was raised in a town in NM right on the Texas line, though I realized your previous post said southern New Mexico (and looked up the county on a map). She was raised in Clayton in the far Northern corner of NM, though she was born in Lubbock, Texas.

 

[Rob9641]

Well written point of view. I have to politely disagree. Some people will put their lives at risk when they don't have to over and over again. I am thinking of John Elis who at great risk traveled back and forth from Ky to Tn to guide young Unionists away from CSA conscription. Many of the young men joined the Union Army. martin Luther King had more guts that perhaps anyone in history. MLK was a son of Dixie by the way born and bred there. There are of course many others such has Audie Murphy although yes he had demons , who can blame him? Lincoln perhaps is a hero he really worked hard to preserve the Union plus of course his son died in the middle of his term not an easy task to keep it together.
Leftyhunter

OK. Very valid points of view. I guess I'm just tough to please.

 

[MattL]

Every hero is a villain to someone.

 

[leftyhunter]

Why does one man's hero necessarily have to be a villian? Why can't they just be the people they were? Trying to make one out to be a hero or villian seems to overcomplicate the issue.

If one has a military or political hero that person became a hero by fighting or opposing someone or some given entity. Who ever that someone is doesn't appreciate being opposed. Even Jonas Stalk who saved countless young people from polio is not a hero to some. In fact in some countries polio vacanation workers are threatned with death.
Leftyhunter

 

[huskerblitz]

Even Jonas Stalk who saved countless young people from polio is not a hero to some.

And to some he's a nobody. Do I find him a hero? No. Does that mean he's a villian? Nope.

 

[leftyhunter]

And to some he's a nobody. Do I find him a hero? No. Does that mean he's a villian? Nope.

My point is different strokes for different folks.
Leftyhunter

 

[Tennessee_Mountainman]

Exactly.



Thank you - this is exactly what i was trying to convey when i started the thread.

Poor guy, I'm sorry. Just sit back and watch the fun

 

[huskerblitz]

My point is different strokes for different folks.
Leftyhunter

Same point I've been making. But too many get sand in their britches whenever Lee and hero are mentioned together. Personally, I could care less if one considers Lee or Lincoln or whoever a hero or the devil. Everyone has their opinion.

 

[leftyhunter]

Same point I've been making. But too many get sand in their britches whenever Lee and hero are mentioned together. Personally, I could care less if one considers Lee or Lincoln or whoever a hero or the devil. Everyone has their opinion.

If I were Afro-American I would get sand in my britches. Plenty of Neo Confederates get sand in their britches if one says that Gen. George Thomas was a hero and especially John Brown the old Parson.
Leftyhunter

 

[huskerblitz]

If I were Afro-American I would get sand in my britches. Plenty of Neo Confederates get sand in their britches if one says that Gen. George Thomas was a hero and especially John Brown the old Parson.
Leftyhunter

So? Who cares what they believe or what they don't believe? There are plenty of folks that I'm around every day that I don't agree hardly with anything they say or do. I don't lose sleep over it nor do I let it affect my daily routine.

 

[cash]

The book looks like it's nothing more than a compilation of excerpts of other books.

Like many other historical figures, R. E. Lee has many admirable qualities, and in some areas he has feet of clay. I think the best we can do for him and for ourselves is to understand the whole man, including his good qualities and the areas where he falls short.

A wise historian once said we shouldn't fall in love with dead people.

 

[Allie]

Well written point of view. I have to politely disagree. Some people will put their lives at risk when they don't have to over and over again. I am thinking of John Elis who at great risk traveled back and forth from Ky to Tn to guide young Unionists away from CSA conscription. Many of the young men joined the Union Army. Martin Luther King had more guts that perhaps anyone in history. MLK was a son of Dixie by the way born and bred there. There are of course many others such has Audie Murphy although yes he had demons , who can blame him? Lincoln perhaps is a hero he really worked hard to preserve the Union plus of course his son died in the middle of his term not an easy task to keep it together.
Leftyhunter

I'm interested in hearing more about John Elis. I'm not familiar with him and Googled and got nothing.

 

[Desert Kid]

If I were Afro-American I would get sand in my britches. Plenty of Neo Confederates get sand in their britches if one says that Gen. George Thomas was a hero and especially John Brown the old Parson.
Leftyhunter

And plenty of liberal Yankees get alot, and I mean ALOT of sand in their cracks if Nathan Bedford Forrest ever gets a positive comment. Same goes for Champ Ferguson. And same goes for any roundabout observance of Henry Wirz.

 

[leftyhunter]

And plenty of liberal Yankees get alot, and I mean ALOT of sand in their cracks if Nathan Bedford Forrest ever gets a positive comment. Same goes for Champ Ferguson. And same goes for any roundabout observance of Henry Wirz.

My point was simply both sides get sand in their britches about various ACW personalities. Oh did I mention Uncle Billy?
Leftyhunter

 

[Desert Kid]

My point was simply both sides get sand in their britches about various ACW personalities. Oh did I mention Uncle Billy?
Leftyhunter

Uncle Billy wanted old Nathaniel dead.

Never got his wish.

But he did think highly of Cleburne.

 

[leftyhunter]

I'm interested in hearing more about John Elis. I'm not familiar with him and Googled and got nothing.

Hi Allie,
My bad I should of said Daniel Ellis.
"the most famous pilot was Daniel Ellis. A farmer and wagon maker from Carter County(Tn) , Ellis had helped burn the Holston River Bridge in Sullivan County, joined the Unionist encampment near Elizabethon, been captured by Confederate forces,and escaped after a few days confinement. Ellis began piloting in August 1862 and continued until early 1865. He claimed to have made at least fifteen trips into Kentucky and to have brought out several thousand men. Ellis also acted as a guerrilla captain and led several attacks on secessionists and Confederate troops in Carter and Johnson Counties. Shortly after the war Ellis published an account of his experiences,The Thrilling Adventures of Daniel Ellis. Ellis inflated his accomplishments , but much of the work is corroborated by other sources. and it is by far one of the best sources on the danger of piloting."
"War at Every Door Partisan Politics& Guerrilla Violence in East Tennessee 1860-1869 Noel Fisher The University of North Carolina Press p.65
Leftyhunter

 

[leftyhunter]

Uncle Billy wanted old Nathaniel dead.

Never got his wish.

But he did think highly of Cleburne.

My main point was simply different ACW personalities rile up different folks on both sides of the political spectrum of the ACW. Lee apparently thought highly of McCellan and Meade. Hooker not so much. Everybody as their favorites.
Leftyhunter