Longstreet

[Rebforever]

Did that hesitation make any difference? He gave the order and followed the order he knew as did everyone else was wrong

The attempt to start in the morning was while the Union Army was getting their corps on the field.
The outcome of the battle? Who knows.

 

[James N.]

At least he finally got his statue at Gettysburg, though it's hardly what I would've hoped for - more like Santa Claus on a pony!

 

[Lost Cause]

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At least he finally got his statue at Gettysburg, though it's hardly what I would've hoped for - more like Santa Claus on a pony!

It is a shame.

 

[rpkennedy]

The attempt to start in the morning was while the Union Army was getting their corps on the field.
The outcome of the battle? Who knows.

There was no attempt to start in the morning.

R

 

[rpkennedy]

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At least he finally got his statue at Gettysburg, though it's hardly what I would've hoped for - more like Santa Claus on a pony!

They used a model from the Land of Little Horses.

R

 

[Rebforever]

There was no attempt to start in the morning.

R

The order was out for a morning attack

 

[rpkennedy]

The order was out for a morning attack

The only place that order existed was in Jubal Early's mind. There is no talk of an order until Early's post-war Longstreet hatefest.

R

 

[Jamieva]

The only place that order existed was in Jubal Early's mind. There is no talk of an order until Early's post-war Longstreet hatefest.

R

More importantly it never "existed" in the mind of anyone who was actually there when the order was given. Jubal had some ESP or something to come up with that one I guess.

 

[rpkennedy]

More importantly it never "existed" in the mind of anyone who was actually there when the order was given. Jubal had some ESP or something to come up with that one I guess.

He needed something to point at Longstreet and who lets the truth get in the way of a good story?

R

 

[Lost Cause]

He needed something to point at Longstreet and who lets the truth get in the way of a good story?

R

It is unfortunate Early' stories were better than his generalship.

 

[Rebforever]

The only place that order existed was in Jubal Early's mind. There is no talk of an order until Early's post-war Longstreet hatefest.

R

Wert has a pretty good book out about Longstreet. Take a look sometime. He does a good job.

 

[Barrycdog]

http://www.amazon.com/LTC-Harold-M.-Knudsen/e/B00771EWLI

General James Longstreet The Confederacy's Most Modern General (Hardbound) by LTC Harold M. Knudsen (Mar 26, 2010)

I met Lt Colonel Knudsen at Gainesville State College and wrote an interesting book about Longstreet. He spoke at many book signings and camps.

 

[rpkennedy]

Wert has a pretty good book out about Longstreet. Take a look sometime. He does a good job.

I don't have Wert's book but the fact remains, there is no indication of an early morning attack, with even Lee's staff attesting to that fact. The first mention is from Early and his allies in the 1870s.

R

 

[cash]

Can anyone cite to an actual quote where Lee referred to Longstreet as his "War Horse"? I have always wondered if this was historically accurate, or just another myth that becomes a fact by repetition.

It comes from William Miller Owen and his reminiscences, In Camp and Battle with the Washington Artillery. The incident happened the evening of the Battle of Antietam, after the battle's conclusion.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8...horse! Let us hear what he has to say&f=false

 

[cash]

Wert has a pretty good book out about Longstreet. Take a look sometime. He does a good job.

Perhaps you should take a look at it.

"Former Second Corps commander Jubal Early opened the controversy with an address at Washington Colleg on the anniversary of Lee's birth, January 19, 1872. early focused on Gettysburg, exonerating Lee of mistakes and accusing Longstreet of not attacking promptly on July 2, and of being responsible for the attack on the 3rd. Exactly a year later at the same site, William N. Pendleton, the army's former artillery chief and now a minister, charged Longstreet with failure to obey an order by Lee to attack at sunrise on July 2. This alleged 'sunrise order' became the center of a firestorm. Pendleton either deliberately lied--Lee issued no such order--or memory failed him." [Jeffry D. Wert, General James Longstreet: The Confederacy's Most Controversial Soldier, a Biography, p. 422]

 

[Rebforever]

Yes, I can but like I said I read it on the internet.

http://www.longstreetsociety.org/Longstreet_Quotes.html

I don't believe General Lee said that.

 

[Rebforever]

Perhaps you should take a look at it.

"Former Second Corps commander Jubal Early opened the controversy with an address at Washington Colleg on the anniversary of Lee's birth, January 19, 1872. early focused on Gettysburg, exonerating Lee of mistakes and accusing Longstreet of not attacking promptly on July 2, and of being responsible for the attack on the 3rd. Exactly a year later at the same site, William N. Pendleton, the army's former artillery chief and now a minister, charged Longstreet with failure to obey an order by Lee to attack at sunrise on July 2. This alleged 'sunrise order' became the center of a firestorm. Pendleton either deliberately lied--Lee issued no such order--or memory failed him." [Jeffry D. Wert, General James Longstreet: The Confederacy's Most Controversial Soldier, a Biography, p. 422]

You first. You are picking and choosing. I guess you over looked the part where Wert says Longstreet should have been punished for his behavior. And there was a order for morning attack.

 

[cash]

You first. You are picking and choosing. I guess you over looked the part where Wert says Longstreet should have been punished for his behavior. And there was a order for morning attack.

As usual, you're wrong. I quoted you directly where Wert said there was no such order. If you could back up your claim you would have quoted the book. You obviously can't back up your claim because it's a bogus claim.

 

[War Horse]

I am just beginning of Wert's book. Below is an account of the second morning. Seems like all the Generals reported to Lee's headqurater for there orders.


James Longstreet The stars were shining brightly on the morning of the 2d when I reported at General Lee's head-quarters and asked for orders. After a time Generals McLaws and Hood, with their staffs, rode up, and at sunrise their commands filed off the road to the right and rested. The Washington Artillery was with them, and about nine o'clock, after an all-night march, Alexander's batteries were up as far as Willoughby's Run, where he parked and fed, and rode to head-quarters to report.


As indicated by these movements, General Lee was not ready with his plans. He had not heard from his cavalry, nor of the movements of the enemy further than the information from a despatch captured during the night, that the Fifth Corps was in camp about five miles from Gettysburg, and the Twelfth Corps was reported near Culp's Hill. As soon as it was light enough to see, however, the enemy was found in position on his formidable heights awaiting us

Civil War Trust.

 

[War Horse]

You first. You are picking and choosing. I guess you over looked the part where Wert says Longstreet should have been punished for his behavior. And there was a order for morning attack.

Lee thought otherwise, and the attackers went forward that afternoon into a cauldron of hellfire and were repulsed. Longstreet's judgment had been correct. In the years after Appomattox, however, a group of ex-Confederate officers began shaping the history of the war. A tenet of their interpretation stressed the virtual infallibility of Lee's generalship. If Gettysburg had been the Confederacy's finest opportunity to achieve independence, the reasons for the defeat rested with others in the army, not Lee.

This "Lost Cause" interpretation of the Civil War made Longstreet a prime, if not primary, culprit. The former Confederates, mostly Virginians, invented a "sunrise order," alleging that Longstreet failed to obey instructions to attack at sunrise on July 2, 1863. They further charged him with insubordination for opposing Lee's offensive plans during the battle. It was an indictment that endured for decades