Anyone know what this is?

[3rdTennCo.C]

Picked it up from an antique shop yesterday passing through southern Illinois, being a reenactor it seemed familiar, it definitely seems to be from that general era, the shop owner said its possibly an original, the price made me skeptical (250) the proof marks seem to be british and are the only marks on the entire gun, guessing it was imported, it looks like it may be a .69 cal, its smoothbore, may be some kind of shotgun? It uses no.11 percussion caps. Whatever it is it has a strong action still, perfectly clear barrel

. Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

[mofederal]

It is a nice looking half stock rifle. I cannot say for certain that it is original or reproduction. it is similar in the style of a Hawken, but it is not one. I like it. It is well made, but I know nothing about the markings and it's being smoothbore also throws me. Hello and welcome to the talk forum from Southeast Missouri located on the banks of the muddy Mississippi River. Someone soon will be along who can give you more help than I do. It may have been made using some military parts.

 

[gary]

Trade gun (IMO)

 

[ScottMac]

Crown with GR and broad arrow = British ordinance mark
GR is for King George
Are there any telltale marks left on the lock plate that have been worn off , like a crown and makers name?

 

[Patrick H]

Hi and welcome. About all I can say is that it's a percussion sporting rifle--not military. I have no idea about who made it or where. I think it's pretty nice and appears to be in pretty good condition. Is the wrist of the stock checkered? It's hard to see for sure in the pics, but looks like it migt be.

 

[tbuckley]

Welcome from eastern Ohio. It's a civilian shotgun.

 

[Seduzal]

Welcome to CWT from the Smoky Mountain side of North Carolina.

 

[UCVRelics]

Welcome From THE Heart Of Dixie. As stated above it is a British proofed Fowler. The makers name should be stamped under the barrel.

 

[zburkett]

Nice sporting gun. If it is a reproduction I've never seen that style reproduced. Quite possibly a trade gun but seems to be a little better quality than that. As a smooth bore it would have been good for hunting with either shot (for birds) or buck and ball (for deer) and anything you could stuff down the barrel in front of the powder charge (for home defense.) The screw holding the hammer in place appears to be a replacement.

 

[Lanyard Puller]

The "GR" would indicate a "Brown Bess" musket barrel before King Georges' death in 1820.
As for the rest, it appears to be an accumulation of alterations and parts; the "filler" around the replaced lock for example. It might still have the "Bess" butt plate and trigger assembly but not enough was photographed to tell.

 

[gary]

Lanyard Puller brings up a good point. Let's see the buttplate (rear view, top view).

 

[Jobe Holiday]

Again, Lanyard Puller is absolutely correct!
J.

 

[JOHN42768]

Welcome, enjoy. You have come to the source

 

[Larryh86GT]

Welcome from WNY

 

[3rdTennCo.C]

Hello again all, I apologize for not having responded, not sure why I didnt but for any who still care for this thread, I will certainly post more pics this evening of the gun as well as some of a double barrel I recently picked up for a decent price as well that id like some info on, a lil treat if you will since ive made yall wait so long

 

[3rdTennCo.C]

Here they are

 

[3rdTennCo.C]

And here is the double barrel, Im not sure who made this one so if anyone has info it would be greatly appreciated, i heard many double barrels of the time were Belgian (pics ended up out of order)

 

[Story]

ELG within the oval on the bottom of the barrel indicates that it was proofed in Belgium.
The 17G (17 gauge) would indicate a .65 caliber bore

 

[Story]

The "GR" would indicate a "Brown Bess" musket barrel before King Georges' death in 1820.
As for the rest, it appears to be an accumulation of alterations and parts; the "filler" around the replaced lock for example. It might still have the "Bess" butt plate and trigger assembly but not enough was photographed to tell.

Could it have been cobbled up for the Canadian trade market to the natives?