Percussion Pistol ID

huskerblitz

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Can anyone help me ID this percussion pistol? I am assuming it was designed from a kit. It's a .50 cal and has as unique arrow buttplate on the sideplate side. There are no maker marks. Purchased it off an auction for a display piece. Thanks!

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Good luck with that. Back in the day every Town had a Gunsmith. I just hope you didn't pay a lot for that at Auction. But you never know maybe someone here can ID it as something rare, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.
 
Good luck with that. Back in the day every Town had a Gunsmith. I just hope you didn't pay a lot for that at Auction. But you never know maybe someone here can ID it as something rare, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.
It wasn't a ton of money and I know it isn't likely original. But it will work for a display piece. Just hoping to maybe find more information about it.
 
It wasn't a ton of money and I know it isn't likely original. But it will work for a display piece. Just hoping to maybe find more information about it.
and what is a ton of $ pray tell? And what type of display you working on?
 
and what is a ton of $ pray tell? And what type of display you working on?
It was under $200. But I also purchased other items along with this piece. And just a simple historical display. The only non-authentic firearm I own is a 1862 stamped Springfield musket that has some sentimental value beyond what I paid for it.

 
Even at $200 it's a good buy. As observed, every county had a gunsmith and this was certainly made by a gunsmith and is not a martial arm.
 
Even at $200 it's a good buy. As observed, every county had a gunsmith and this was certainly made by a gunsmith and is not a martial arm.
Really! Send me $200 and I'll send you Stock for the Brooklyn Bridge. Let's just hope he does not fire it, the medical costs will be more than $200.
 
It was under $200. But I also purchased other items along with this piece. And just a simple historical display. The only non-authentic firearm I own is a 1862 stamped Springfield musket that has some sentimental value beyond what I paid for it.

6-12 Coates of Kramer's Best will put life back into her, neutralizing rust and dry rot etc.
 
Oh I'm very relaxed, I just hate seeing folks taken to the cleaners!
The site I bid on frequently has original and antique firearms. Given the number of other bidders, I was not the only one interested in the item. And as the old adage goes, the value of an item is what someone was willing to pay for it. But the deciding factor for me was the fact that the item was only 30 minutes from me. I didn't have to deal with shipping or other issues.
 
Really! Send me $200 and I'll send you Stock for the Brooklyn Bridge. Let's just hope he does not fire it, the medical costs will be more than $200.
I don't see why you think it's unsafe and even if it was, $200 for a sound lock and well made stock with inlays isn't bad at all. It's easy enough to replace a barrel. Take measurements of diameter and determine any taper. This is basic bench metal work. A bit of soldering (or filing for the underlug).

Of course, the very first thing to do is check if it's loaded. Always keep it pointed in a safe direction and keep your finger off the trigger. Make sure there is no percussion cap on that nipple. Drop a dowel rod down the barrel and mark where it meets the muzzle. Then lay the dowel rod alongside the barrel and see if it comes up short to the nipple. If it's a bit high (say 3/4" for powder and ball), it's loaded and handle with caution. You might want to dribble some water down the nipple (or remove the nipple and drop water down it, then insert a ball puller and pull out the ball). Alternatively, if you have a C02 discharger, try that.

A barrel that short should be easy to inspect. Remember these are not hand forged, twisted iron barrels like demonstrated by Wallace Gusler (see for free on U-toob The Gunsmith of Colonial Williamsburg) or worse, a pot-metal replica (which I don't think yours is). Easy enough to shine a light down an empty barrel to inspect OR even take the barrel to an autoshop to magnaflux it. Magnaflux will reveal any cracks/fissures. Let's say the barrel is bad but everything else is solid. Buy a new barrel from Dixie and fit it. That isn't that hard. Good learning opportunity.

If it's loaded, it can be discharged can be done outside by removing the barrel, securing it something solid and inserting a fuse and after hiding behind a shelter, light it. If it blows, at least the entire gun isn't ruined. Dixie Gun Works catalogs used to have an article on testing barrels. If it doesn't blow, clean it, take measurements (inspect for bulges) to check against the measurements you made already.

Huskerblitz - if you ever come to Southern Colorado, drop me a PM. I'm a grad of Trinidad College Gonne-smithing with many NMLRA and Conner Praire classes beneath my belt and (like many other here; especially Johan Steele), I've been around gonnes for many decades (yes, I'm an old phart).
 
Of course, the very first thing to do is check if it's loaded.
None of the three guns I purchased are loaded. I have an endoscope and have already looked.
Huskerblitz - if you ever come to Southern Colorado, drop me a PM. I'm a grad of Trinidad College Gonne-smithing with many NMLRA and Conner Praire classes beneath my belt and (like many other here; especially Johan Steele), I've been around gonnes for many decades (yes, I'm an old phart).
Thanks! I'll keep that in mind.
 
Well, this isn't really my thing, but I'll Wade in here anyway. Externally, that pistol looks pretty sound. The parts and stock look clean and there don't seem to be any cracks or repairs. That stock shape doesn't look American to me. It whispers "Spanish" because of the shape of the pommel. Sometimes this is called an "egg-shaped" pommel. It could be Spanish 19th century. Except that arrow detail on the reverse. I've never seen anything genuinely antique like that. But it could still be antique and Spanish, though. A lot of kits in the early 1970s came from Spain. Often they're unmarked. I actually think that's what it is. If it is a vintage Spanish reproduction, it's in good shape and may be fireable. If it snaps a cap reliably, I'd be tempted to put a blank charge in it and see if you can make fireworks. I have a Derringer from that vintage. Shoots just fine.
 
Well, this isn't really my thing, but I'll Wade in here anyway. Externally, that pistol looks pretty sound. The parts and stock look clean and there don't seem to be any cracks or repairs. That stock shape doesn't look American to me. It whispers "Spanish" because of the shape of the pommel. Sometimes this is called an "egg-shaped" pommel. It could be Spanish 19th century. Except that arrow detail on the reverse. I've never seen anything genuinely antique like that. But it could still be antique and Spanish, though. A lot of kits in the early 1970s came from Spain. Often they're unmarked. I actually think that's what it is. If it is a vintage Spanish reproduction, it's in good shape and may be fireable. If it snaps a cap reliably, I'd be tempted to put a blank charge in it and see if you can make fireworks. I have a Derringer from that vintage. Shoots just fine.
Thanks for wading in! Appreciate the info!
 
Very nice pistol will display well. It seems to be well made and Hand made. You don't see many with a brass or copper lock plate
Your 1862 Springfield looks like it's in good condition except for the muzzle where some jack donkey beat the **** out of it. You can take the barrel to a gunsmith or machine shop and have it cleaned up if you ever think you might want to shoot it.
 

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