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[Kurtlg]

I guess the age is wrong, but I thought his demeanor was the closest to the guy I've seen, compared to the glorified versions.

I will watch it again. Bat Masterson described Earp as one of the bravest men he ever knew. He was always willing to get in the middle of a fight but rarely shot his revolver. He preferred to use it to hit the lawbreaker over the head.

 

[Pollaco]

I will watch it again. Bat Masterson described Earp as one of the bravest men he ever knew. He was always willing to get in the middle of a fight but rarely shot his revolver. He preferred to use it to hit the lawbreaker over the head.

Both Bat Masterson and Wyatt Earp must have been head knockers. Isn't that where the name "Bat" came from? He used his cane to bat people around.

 

[Kurtlg]

Both Bat Masterson and Wyatt Earp must have been head knockers. Isn't that where the name "Bat" came from? He used his cane to bat people around.

Well there are 3 explanations so who knows. One is that he got it from a famous hunter Bat Baptiste. Masterson had been a buffalo hunter and I believe that is how he met Earp .Another is that it was a nickname for his legal first name Bartholomew. The last is that he used his cane to subdue lawbreakers though he also hit them with his pistol like Earp. He did use a cane due to a gunshot wound to his pelvis.

 

[TallTallMan]

Both Bat Masterson and Wyatt Earp must have been head knockers. Isn't that where the name "Bat" came from? He used his cane to bat people around.

I enjoyed Masterson's writings. He really didn't like Doc Holliday.

 

[Kurtlg]

I enjoyed Masterson's writings. He really didn't like Doc Holliday.

No he didn't but I remember Doc accompanying him I think to hunt for a fugitive. Of course you never know how much of these old stories are true.

 

[archieclement]

Saw this in my feed tonite......not sure what I think about it......would think it'll have alot to be compared to......

A Beloved Western Novel Is Set For A Brand New Screen Adaptation

If you are looking to fill the Yellowstone-shaped hole in your television viewing, there’s some good news out of Hollywood. Larry McMurtry’s beloved Western novel, Lonesome Dove, is once again being adapted for the screen.

www.southernliving.com

 

[RedRover]

Saw this in my feed tonite......not sure what I think about it......would think it'll have alot to be compared to......

A Beloved Western Novel Is Set For A Brand New Screen Adaptation

If you are looking to fill the Yellowstone-shaped hole in your television viewing, there’s some good news out of Hollywood. Larry McMurtry’s beloved Western novel, Lonesome Dove, is once again being adapted for the screen.

www.southernliving.com

Whew! yes, a tough act to follow. Watched the '89 mini-series again a few years ago, and enjoyed it more than back in '89.

 

[archieclement]

Would think taking the role of Gus would be risky for an actor..........

 

[TallTallMan]

Saw this in my feed tonite......not sure what I think about it......would think it'll have alot to be compared to......

A Beloved Western Novel Is Set For A Brand New Screen Adaptation

If you are looking to fill the Yellowstone-shaped hole in your television viewing, there’s some good news out of Hollywood. Larry McMurtry’s beloved Western novel, Lonesome Dove, is once again being adapted for the screen.

www.southernliving.com

Whew! yes, a tough act to follow. Watched the '89 mini-series again a few years ago, and enjoyed it more than back in '89.

Anybody wanting to readapt Lonesome Dove must be crazy. It's perfect the way it is.

 

[TallTallMan]

Been watching Lawman on YT, and it's great so far. I love these Revisionist Westerns, where the whole genre is questioned.

 

[damYankee]

If you want an untapped source for meaner than a gut shot bear type old west gunslinger borderline lawmen/badmen rebel bad hombre's look no further than William Alexander "Bigfoot" Wallace, Benjamín McCulloch and John Salmon "RIP" Ford.
These may have been the meanest men who ever packed iron.

 

[Pollaco]

If you want an untapped source for meaner than a gut shot bear type old west gunslinger borderline lawmen/badmen rebel bad hombre's look no further than William Alexander "Bigfoot" Wallace, Benjamín McCulloch and John Salmon "RIP" Ford.
These may have been the meanest men who ever packed iron.

I can voucth for "RIP" Ford. Had the war lasted a few weeks longer they'd have been calling him General Ford.

 

[Pollaco]

Been watching Lawman on YT, and it's great so far. I love these Revisionist Westerns, where the whole genre is questioned.

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I'm still not sure just what the director had in mind when he ended the "Lawman" the way he did. It was a good movie up till the end.

 

[TallTallMan]

If you want an untapped source for meaner than a gut shot bear type old west gunslinger borderline lawmen/badmen rebel bad hombre's look no further than William Alexander "Bigfoot" Wallace, Benjamín McCulloch and John Salmon "RIP" Ford.
These may have been the meanest men who ever packed iron.

I can voucth for "RIP" Ford. Had the war lasted a few weeks longer they'd have been calling him General Ford.

I knew about Ford and McCulloch but not Wallace. I was reading about Pinkerton Texan Charlie Siringo last night, who had one of those from-frontier-to-cityscape lives (1855-1928).

 

[TallTallMan]

I'm still not sure just what the director had in mind when he ended the "Lawman" the way he did. It was a good movie up till the end.

Haven't got there, but I'm interested to see what you're talking about.

The director was the Death Wish guy Michael Winner, who also did Chato's Land and Valdez is Coming.

Plus Google AI is still dumb:

 

[damYankee]

John (Jack) Coffee Hays life would make for a great movie or miniseries, perhaps along the lines of Wayne's The Shootist.
Hays's, 1817 to 1883 witnessed the old west and the sunrising over the new west. Born in Tennessee and migrating to Texas at the age of 19, with a letter of recommendation from his great uncle Andrew Jackson he met with Samuel Huston, who himself was an old family friend, John accepted a commission to the newly formed Texas Rangers.
Hays led Rangers in it's mission to end the Comanche raids, riding with a Lipan Chief named Flacco the duo made a formable team, in 1840 the Tonkawa Chief Placido and 13 scouts joined with the Rangers to track down a large Comanche war party, this led to the Battle of Plum Creek.
Hays distinguished himself in the Battle of Monterrey, Galaxara Pass, Matamoros and Sequalteplan, during the Mexican War.
John Jack Hays married Susan Calvert in 1847, she was George Calvert, the 1st Baron Baltimore. The couple moved to California and became a politician, and a sheriff, upon the birth of their first son Chief Buffalo Hump of The Comanche sent the couple a silver cup engraved "Buffalo Hump Jr."
Captain John McMullin another legendary Texas Ranger had followed his friend John Hays west to California, and as fate would have it, McMullin's daughter and Hays, son John Caperton Hays married.
This is where the Old West and the New West and the world we live in today merge;

John Hays had a brother, CSA Br. Gen. Harry Thompson Hays, and a sister;
Sarah "Sallie" Hays Hammond, her grandson John Hays Hammond Jr. was an apprentice to Thomas Edison and worked with Nikola Tesla and became a founder of and a board member of RCA!

 

[TallTallMan]

John (Jack) Coffee Hays life would make for a great movie or miniseries, perhaps along the lines of Wayne's The Shootist.
Hays's, 1817 to 1883 witnessed the old west and the sunrising over the new west. Born in Tennessee and migrating to Texas at the age of 19, with a letter of recommendation from his great uncle Andrew Jackson he met with Samuel Huston, who himself was an old family friend, John accepted a commission to the newly formed Texas Rangers.
Hays led Rangers in it's mission to end the Comanche raids, riding with a Lipan Chief named Flacco the duo made a formable team, in 1840 the Tonkawa Chief Placido and 13 scouts joined with the Rangers to track down a large Comanche war party, this led to the Battle of Plum Creek.
Hays distinguished himself in the Battle of Monterrey, Galaxara Pass, Matamoros and Sequalteplan, during the Mexican War.
John Jack Hays married Susan Calvert in 1847, she was George Calvert, the 1st Baron Baltimore. The couple moved to California and became a politician, and a sheriff, upon the birth of their first son Chief Buffalo Hump of The Comanche sent the couple a silver cup engraved "Buffalo Hump Jr."
Captain John McMullin another legendary Texas Ranger had followed his friend John Hays west to California, and as fate would have it, McMullin's daughter and Hays, son John Caperton Hays married.
This is where the Old West and the New West and the world we live in today merge;

John Hays had a brother, CSA Br. Gen. Harry Thompson Hays, and a sister;
Sarah "Sallie" Hays Hammond, her grandson John Hays Hammond Jr. was an apprentice to Thomas Edison and worked with Nikola Tesla and became a founder of and a board member of RCA!

Well, if I ever do a Western comic or something, you've given me material!

I've always thought a modern, professional, Hollywood Daltons/Coffeyville Raid would work out nice. We've had Lincoln County and Northfield so many times, we need something else.

 

[RedRover]

Haven't got there, but I'm interested to see what you're talking about.

The director was the Death Wish guy Michael Winner, who also did Chato's Land and Valdez is Coming.

Plus Google AI is still dumb:

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Indeed! Chato's Land with Jack Palance as Captain Quincy Whitmore...

AND RICHARD BASEHART!

Other's in Whitmore's gang include Richard Jordan (Gettysburg), James Whitmore (Battleground), Victor French (Little House on the Prairie), Ralph Waite (the Waltons)...

All pitted against Charles Bronson's Chato.

On youtube, John Landis has a brief video about his time working on the crew of this picture in Spain in 1970. He thought very well of director Winner.

 

[RedRover]

IN the 1970s there were a slew of hard-edged revisionist westerns. "Lawman" mentioned above. And "Ulzana's Raid" also with Burt Lancaster. But there's also "The Culpepper Cattle Company," (1972):

The "Bad Company" (1972) with Jeff Bridges...

and "The Spikes Gang" (1974) with Lee Marvin and Ron Howard...

But perhaps the most shocking and 1970s revisionist western adventure of the era was 1975's "Apple Dumpling Gang"...

 

[GELongstreet]

Came to see Old Henry much quicker than expected. Really not bad. It is hardly new territory but is well done on a small scale and gets to the point so it almost feels a little short. Weirdly the second film with the topic I've seen within mere weeks (also the second Henry, having just completed Kingdome Come: Deliverance II).