What does the SCV stand for

[Buffalo-Guard]

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Who we are and what we do

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The Sons of Confederate Veterans as well as groups such as The Sons of Union Veterans and others have been entrusted by out forefather's heritages to ensure that their truths and histories are carried on.​

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The Sons of Confederate Veterans represent American military veterans but focus on The Confederate States of America. The preservation of liberty and freedom was the motivating factor in the South's decision to fight the Second American Revolution. The tenacity with which Confederate soldiers fought underscored their belief in the rights guaranteed by the Constitution.​

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The Sons of Confederate Veterans are preserving the history and legacy of these heroes, so future generations can understand the motives that animated the Southern Cause.​

The SCV is the direct heir of the United Confederate Veterans, and the oldest hereditary organization for male descendants of Confederate soldiers. Organized at Richmond, Virginia in 1896, the SCV continues to serve as a historical, patriotic, and non-political organization dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861-1865 period is preserved.​

The SCV works in conjunction with other historical groups to preserve Confederate history. However, it is not affiliated with any other group other than the Military Order of the Stars and Bars, composed of male descendants of the Southern Officers Corps. The SCV rejects any group whose actions tarnish or distort the image of the Confederate soldier or his reasons for fighting. We are Americans and are appalled by those who use our sacred American symbols and flags to foster hate and bigotries.​

Contact us if you would like more information about the Sons of Confederate Veterans.​

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[unionblue]

Buffalo Guard,

I have no problem with any organization that tries to honor the memory and bravery of the Confederate soldier during the War of the Rebellion.

I do take exception to the accuracy of the terms and statements of your second paragraph in your above post. The War of Rebellion was not the Second American Revolution nor was the Confederate soldier fighting for liberty and independence, at least, not the same type of liberty and independence of the American Revolution.

Sincerely,
Unionblue

 

[Admiral_Porter]

The preservation of liberty and freedom was the motivating factor in the South's decision to fight the Second American Revolution.

Where is the puking icon?

 

[nbforrest]

I love the SCV and am proud to be a member, but I am a little uneasy about politicizing it. I think it is inevitable, because S.D. Lee's charge heavily implies that part of the mission of the SCV is to be politically motivated. But it serves to rake up the muck when we should really be concentrating on honoring our ancestors. Don't get me wrong, that is the main goal of the SCV...but I am still more comfortable leaving politics out of it.

Respectfully

 

[unionblue]

nbforrest,

I share your concerns over the SCV.

I also agree with you that you should be proud of the intent of the SCV to preserve the memory of the honor and courage of the Confederate soldier. There is no dishoner in that goal.

Sincerely,
Unionblue

 

[samgrant]

Buffalo Guard,

I have no problem with any organization that tries to honor the memory and bravery of the Confederate soldier during the War of the Rebellion.

I do take exception to the accuracy of the terms and statements of your second paragraph in your above post. The War of Rebellion was not the Second American Revolution nor was the Confederate soldier fighting for liberty and independence, at least, not the same type of liberty and independence of the American Revolution.

Sincerely,
Unionblue

I'll second that, Neil.

 

[gary]

Setting asides politics, it was a rebellion and not a revolution. What's the distinction? Well, a rebellion is suppressed and a revolution succeeds.

OK, that set aside, permit me to digress. I know the United Daughters of the Confederacy in South Carolina published a 12 volume bound set of letters and what-nots that can't be found elsewhere. Their counterpart in Georgia did one better with a 20 volume bound set. Not an attack but an inquiry, has the SCV ever published anything like diaries or letters?

 

[blue_zouave]

Where is the puking icon?

Oooh, it makes ya wonder....

Is that a heritage violation, Porter?

Zou

 

[30th_il]

Puking icon

Zou, perhaps the Admiral (Porter) wants the puking icon because he is a little seasick?

 

[blue_zouave]

Could be seasickness, could be bad air. That's what they believed back in the day, bad air would make ya sick. Bad air and bad smells.

I agree with the Admiral about the cloying hyperbole, and I third Samgrant's second of Neil's statement.

Zou

 

[larry_cockerham]

I'll throw in with Zou's last statement. The war was over in 1865 and no longer needs to be fought. To remember the Confederate and Union soldiers who were tangled up in a horrible mess is not a bad thing. That was the charge from S.D. Lee, very little more. There is a bit of a struggle today concerning personal freedom at least in expressing that memory and admiration without offending anyone. A double edged sword. The greatest challenge assumed by hopefully most of the SCV today is in simply educating our fellow humans about history as it happened. The truth if you will. Let the chips from that point fall where they may. The same might be done for WWI, WWII, KOREA, VIETNAM (except possibly for LBJ) and yes the American Revolution. I agree with Neil on that one. The WBTS was not the American Revolution any way you look at it.

 

[Buffalo-Guard]

Buffalo Guard,


I do take exception to the accuracy of the terms and statements of your second paragraph in your above post. The War of Rebellion was not the Second American Revolution nor was the Confederate soldier fighting for liberty and independence, at least, not the same type of liberty and independence of the American Revolution.

I took those words from the SCV HQ homepage. I also do not think that it was a second American Revolution in that sinse but it was a revolution in every sinse of the work. Thiers was not againist a King George but rather the United States. I believe it's in the eye of the reader and to his own understanding. I do believe the solder fougnt for his countrys freedom but from a state level. Again, this is a simple statement with many conplexed answers and issues.

 

[olerebel]

Any organization is only what the members make it. The question of documentation... The Presidential Library at Beauvoir, housed many documents, letters, books. I don't know how many Katrina left intact. Beauvoir is owned by the UDC, (as Mt Vernon is owned by the DAR) and Elm Springs is owned by the SCV. Elm Springs also has a nice collection of information. To access this information requires a little work.

Jefferson DAvis CAmp 1862
SCV

 

[nbforrest]

To you, Sons of Confederate Veterans, we will commit the vindication of the cause for which we fought.

That first part of Lee's charge is a bit troubling for me...I think Lee clearly was referring to the political aspects of the war.
But I see no reason for the SCV to be totally bound to that.
Of course the SCV's view of history will be sympathetic to the South. But let's focus on the veterans themselves. The SCV's goal of educating the public that the South was politically right is self-defeating...it only makes the SCV enemies.

Respectfully

 

[sgtcsa]

Why mr porter,
Darned if that doesn't make a lot of sense........we could make all of you sick, then.......the fight for freedom would have been so much easier.

Respectfully,
SgtCSA

 

[Alabaman]

Where is the puking icon?

Your unnecessary sarcasm promotes disharmony upon this board.

Alabaman

 

[Buffalo-Guard]

What soes the SCV stand for

It is the SCV's and our responsibility as the descendants of solders both North and South to make sure that their stories are told. That history is taught and that the truth, whether we like it or not, is presented.

Our forefathers and ancestors lived, died, loved and just as we do today. They suffered with loss, sickness and struggled to build their futures and to make sure their children had it better than they did. Without them, there would be no you and I.

There are many groups that protect and present family histories. DAR, SUV etc. The list goes on. It is our job to make sure that the American veteran's legacies are passed on to the next generation. We are not here to re-fight the Civil War but we are here to fight for the Civil War veteran's rightful place in history.

We must also be vigilant for groups that use sacred symbols and sympathies to misguide people and that promote politics that are deter mental to our great nation. These groups use the guise of the American Flag, Mom and Apple pie to coax unsuspecting people into their web of deceit just as the spider does to its victim.

We must assure people that we are not them and do not aspire to their goals.

As I said before, we are Americans first and foremost and are darn lucky to live in the greatest county on earth.

 

[ole]

Snipped from nbforrest's earlier post:

The SCV's goal of educating the public that the South was politically right is self-defeating...it only makes the SCV enemies.

Totally agree here. The SCV's goal of honoring veterans and promoting truth is admirable. The problem, if any, lies in the perpetuation and promotion of Lost Cause mythology. The SCV has a noble purpose and the solid backing of SUV members, as well as many other Union proponents. It is counter-productive to dabble in "correcting" its allies.
Ole

 

[olerebel]

If one percieves that the war was fought to preserve slavery, and only to preserve slavery, then one is bound to make ememies.
If one believes that their ancestors died fighting for a cause which was no cause, then that is akin to believing their ancestors were fools.
If one believes that their ancestors were fighting for the Rights of their State to succeed from the Union, whether right or wrong, they had a cause.
If they believed they wer being unfairly taxed, whether right or wrong, they had a cause.
If there was no cause, then there was no war. Whether right or wrong, there WAS a war. Without two sides, there can be no war. The South was one side, the North was the other. The North won, so they were automatically right. The South lost, so they were automatically wrong about everything. But we don't see it that way.

 

[ole]

Debating right or wrong is why we are here -- squabbling among ourselves. It doesn't belong out there. Out there we should be establishing that every soldier is entitled to honorable remembrance; the cause remains the province of contentious individuals such as ourselves.
Ole