Perryville Understanding Perryville.

Gunny do you know of any sites or books that have first hand accounts of the battle?
Yes, there is this site... http://www.midtneyewitnesses.com/eyewitness-book-series/perryville/confederate-soldier

There are Federal, Confederate and Civilian accounts on the page that you will see listed on the right. Just click on which one you want to read.

There is also this little book that I put together... http://www.amazon.com/dp/150280428X/?tag=civilwartalkc-20

It might share one or two of the same accounts, but this is a treasure trove of goodies from period newspapers and soldier correspondents that were in the thick of the fight.
 
Thanks gunny, I'm just so drawn to this battlefield it's hard to explain. Going to put the book into my shopping cart untill I get paid next, looks great.
 
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Whatever the cause for the misdirection, Donelson continued, "I accordingly gave orders for a change of direction further to the right, in making this move I sent forward a staff officer to order Col Savage Comdg Regt on the right to halt when in the proper direction, until I could bring up the other two Regts in line of battle." That was the sentence that really caused problems for the historian. What may have been over-looked is the fact that two orders were given in the preceding quote. The first order was to "change direction." The second order was to "halt when in the proper direction" in order to await the formation of the two supporting regiments—the Fifteenth and Thirty-eighth Tennessee. The very next sentence in Donelson's report can create even more confusion if taken out of context. "This order was not obeyed because as I have since learned one of Genl Cheatham's Staff ordered said Regts to move forward rapidly."[1] Apparently, the majority of historians have only noted the first order—to change direction. With that understanding, historians have concluded that when the regiment was ordered to change direction, that order was countermanded by a staff officer of General Cheatham who instructed Colonel Savage—according to Noe—with the other two regiments of the brigade to "continue pushing straight ahead" in their original axis of advance.[2] This may have been an oversight by historians. However, given the fact that the only known cabins that existed on the field were those of Widow Gibson, historians had to mold the facts to fit their understanding of the field. Donelson's sentence was thus dissected, or left out in its entirety—but still cited, or used out of context. Whether this was an oversight, or the only way to make sense of the recorded materials is hardly questionable. Without altering the context of Donelson's comment, there was no way to make sense of Savage's regiment advancing toward cabins that—according to modern scholarship—weren't there.

Taken in context, it is clear that it was not the order to change direction that was over-ridden by General Cheatham, but rather it was Donelson's order to halt that was overridden. Cheatham didn't want any hesitation pressing forward in the attack. Thus after making the change in direction and having committed to the attack, the order to await the formation of the two supporting regiments (Fifteenth and Thirty-eighth) was not obeyed by Colonel Savage. Savage did as instructed and charged headlong in the new direction toward the enemy battery on the right that he now confronted. Following in his rear were the two supporting regiments that had fallen far behind Savage's lead regiment. His regiment was also acting as the guide for the brigade. A guide is an individual or unit upon whose movements a larger force traces or conducts its movement. While the Fifteenth and Thirty-eight regiments reformed and aligned for the new direction, the Sixteenth Tennessee raced ahead—at an angle of nearly ninety degrees to the right of their original direction of march.[3]

It appears that without knowledge of the Hafley cabin site, and the belief that Cheatham instructed Savage to continue in the original direction of march, historians concluded that Donelson's advance took them up a long valley due west of their attack position. This valley contains an intermittent stream that is referred to as Donelson's Run at the battlefield today. The attack ended at the only known structures on the battlefield—Widow Gibson's cabins.

[1] Brig. Gen. D. S. Donelson, Report of Battle of Perryville (William P. Palmer Collection, WRHS Collection, Box 28, Folder 9)

[2] Kenneth Noe, Perryville: This Grand Havoc of Battle (Lexington, KY: The University Press of Kentucky, 2001), 199-200.

[3] John H. Savage, Life of John H. Savage (Nashville, TN: John H. Savage, 1903) 126.
 
Whatever the cause for the misdirection, Donelson continued, "I accordingly gave orders for a change of direction further to the right, in making this move I sent forward a staff officer to order Col Savage Comdg Regt on the right to halt when in the proper direction, until I could bring up the other two Regts in line of battle." That was the sentence that really caused problems for the historian. What may have been over-looked is the fact that two orders were given in the preceding quote. The first order was to "change direction." The second order was to "halt when in the proper direction" in order to await the formation of the two supporting regiments—the Fifteenth and Thirty-eighth Tennessee. The very next sentence in Donelson's report can create even more confusion if taken out of context. "This order was not obeyed because as I have since learned one of Genl Cheatham's Staff ordered said Regts to move forward rapidly."[1] Apparently, the majority of historians have only noted the first order—to change direction. With that understanding, historians have concluded that when the regiment was ordered to change direction, that order was countermanded by a staff officer of General Cheatham who instructed Colonel Savage—according to Noe—with the other two regiments of the brigade to "continue pushing straight ahead" in their original axis of advance.[2] This may have been an oversight by historians. However, given the fact that the only known cabins that existed on the field were those of Widow Gibson, historians had to mold the facts to fit their understanding of the field. Donelson's sentence was thus dissected, or left out in its entirety—but still cited, or used out of context. Whether this was an oversight, or the only way to make sense of the recorded materials is hardly questionable. Without altering the context of Donelson's comment, there was no way to make sense of Savage's regiment advancing toward cabins that—according to modern scholarship—weren't there.

Taken in context, it is clear that it was not the order to change direction that was over-ridden by General Cheatham, but rather it was Donelson's order to halt that was overridden. Cheatham didn't want any hesitation pressing forward in the attack. Thus after making the change in direction and having committed to the attack, the order to await the formation of the two supporting regiments (Fifteenth and Thirty-eighth) was not obeyed by Colonel Savage. Savage did as instructed and charged headlong in the new direction toward the enemy battery on the right that he now confronted. Following in his rear were the two supporting regiments that had fallen far behind Savage's lead regiment. His regiment was also acting as the guide for the brigade. A guide is an individual or unit upon whose movements a larger force traces or conducts its movement. While the Fifteenth and Thirty-eight regiments reformed and aligned for the new direction, the Sixteenth Tennessee raced ahead—at an angle of nearly ninety degrees to the right of their original direction of march.[3]

It appears that without knowledge of the Hafley cabin site, and the belief that Cheatham instructed Savage to continue in the original direction of march, historians concluded that Donelson's advance took them up a long valley due west of their attack position. This valley contains an intermittent stream that is referred to as Donelson's Run at the battlefield today. The attack ended at the only known structures on the battlefield—Widow Gibson's cabins.

[1] Brig. Gen. D. S. Donelson, Report of Battle of Perryville (William P. Palmer Collection, WRHS Collection, Box 28, Folder 9)

[2] Kenneth Noe, Perryville: This Grand Havoc of Battle (Lexington, KY: The University Press of Kentucky, 2001), 199-200.

[3] John H. Savage, Life of John H. Savage (Nashville, TN: John H. Savage, 1903) 126.
Anymore news on a get-together there?
 
Something to understand is that since there was no day light savings time in 1862 thus the battle had only been raging for an hour and a half with the sun in its current position at 3:30 on that bloody afternoon. That is.. Central time.

This battle is right behind Franklin in its ferocity and short duration.
 
Gunny do you know of any sites or books that have first hand accounts of the battle?
5 pages of Sam Watkins' book Company Aytch contain his personal experience at Perryville. On page 44 he says,"I was in every battle,skirmish and march that was made by the First Tennessee Regiment during the war,and I do not remember of a harder contest and more evenly fought battle than that of Perryville."
 
5 pages of Sam Watkins' book Company Aytch contain his personal experience at Perryville. On page 44 he says,"I was in every battle,skirmish and march that was made by the First Tennessee Regiment during the war,and I do not remember of a harder contest and more evenly fought battle than that of Perryville."

Perryville was also the first battle for my ancestor's unit, the 33d Alabama which had only been raised that summer. They were then part of the brigade of Brig. Gen. Sterling Alexander Martin Wood. I can only wonder if he was present or not, and if so just what his thoughts to this introduction to war were!
 


What was your ancestors name?

"Descendant of Pvt. Jasper Blair, Co. C., 33rd Alabama Inf. Reg., Wood's/Lowery's Brigade, Cleburne's Division, Army of Tennessee."
 
"Descendant of Pvt. Jasper Blair, Co. C., 33rd Alabama Inf. Reg., Wood's/Lowery's Brigade, Cleburne's Division, Army of Tennessee."
Don't know how I missed that, but it looks like he went all the way to the final surrender at Greensboro. He has a card with the 17th Alabama. Looks like the 33rd consolidated with the 17th, and finally added to the 1st Alabama Consolidated.
 
Don't know how I missed that, but it looks like he went all the way to the final surrender at Greensboro. He has a card with the 17th Alabama. Looks like the 33rd consolidated with the 17th, and finally added to the 1st Alabama Consolidated.

Would you happen to have a link for that?
 
Would you happen to have a link for that?
Its in the Fold3 Unit Information for the 33rd Alabama. It appears good muster records for the 33rd only go till December 1863. The only things beyond that date are medical files or Federal files from men that were captured. In the Fold3 Unit Info. for the 33rd, it says, "Finally paroled as of 17th Ala. Inf. (Consol.) forming Co.s B, D & F.

It's in the 17th Alabama muster cards that has Jasper Blair's name on it. It's not stated if he's present or absent, but is on the roll at the final surrender. He may have been with them or in a hospital, but it appears he had not been "written off" the rolls.

This link http://www.nchistoricsites.org/bennett/armies.pdf shows the 33rd Alabama consolidated with the 1st, 16th, 26th and 8 companies of the 45th Alabama to for the 1st Alabama Consolidated. I think the author of this list was unaware that the 33rd had originally consolidated with the 17th (as the 17th isn't listed). So if you added the 17th to this big consolidation, the total number of men present at Greensboro for all those regiments combined only comes to 366 men. That number represented 5 and 8/10's regiments which should have numbered about 5,800 men at the beginning of the war.

Now, that's attrition.
 
Its in the Fold3 Unit Information for the 33rd Alabama. It appears good muster records for the 33rd only go till December 1863. The only things beyond that date are medical files or Federal files from men that were captured. In the Fold3 Unit Info. for the 33rd, it says, "Finally paroled as of 17th Ala. Inf. (Consol.) forming Co.s B, D & F.

It's in the 17th Alabama muster cards that has Jasper Blair's name on it. It's not stated if he's present or absent, but is on the roll at the final surrender. He may have been with them or in a hospital, but it appears he had not been "written off" the rolls.

This link http://www.nchistoricsites.org/bennett/armies.pdf shows the 33rd Alabama consolidated with the 1st, 16th, 26th and 8 companies of the 45th Alabama to for the 1st Alabama Consolidated. I think the author of this list was unaware that the 33rd had originally consolidated with the 17th (as the 17th isn't listed). So if you added the 17th to this big consolidation, the total number of men present at Greensboro for all those regiments combined only comes to 366 men. That number represented 5 and 8/10's regiments which should have numbered about 5,800 men at the beginning of the war.

Now, that's attrition.

This is the first I've heard of it either. Poor Jasper's problem was being illiterate he depended on a county official to fill out his pension request and when there was a problem all he could do was apply again two years later. The problems he encountered were that the records didn't match his claim and there was incompetence in the way the first application was processed at the War Department through which the records of applicants were checked. The first time the bonehead clerk agreed that Jasper's name appeared on the roster of the 33d LOUISIANA, the state from which Jasper was applying. (As far as I know there was NO 33d Louisiana.) The second try went better in that regard, but this time the clerk added the VERY unhelpful info that nothing showed him being paroled as a member of the 33d Ala. - likely because by then the unit no longer existed - but that his name DID appear among the parolees of the 17th. I don't know if he ever received the pension or not - is there any way to verify that?
 
Its in the Fold3 Unit Information for the 33rd Alabama. It appears good muster records for the 33rd only go till December 1863. The only things beyond that date are medical files or Federal files from men that were captured. In the Fold3 Unit Info. for the 33rd, it says, "Finally paroled as of 17th Ala. Inf. (Consol.) forming Co.s B, D & F.

It's in the 17th Alabama muster cards that has Jasper Blair's name on it. It's not stated if he's present or absent, but is on the roll at the final surrender. He may have been with them or in a hospital, but it appears he had not been "written off" the rolls.

This link http://www.nchistoricsites.org/bennett/armies.pdf shows the 33rd Alabama consolidated with the 1st, 16th, 26th and 8 companies of the 45th Alabama to for the 1st Alabama Consolidated. I think the author of this list was unaware that the 33rd had originally consolidated with the 17th (as the 17th isn't listed). So if you added the 17th to this big consolidation, the total number of men present at Greensboro for all those regiments combined only comes to 366 men. That number represented 5 and 8/10's regiments which should have numbered about 5,800 men at the beginning of the war.

Now, that's attrition.
I have yet to figure out how to search for unit information on fold3.
 
I have yet to figure out how to search for unit information on fold3.
After you enter the state and regiment that you are researching, right above the letter A in the alphabet there is a unit information tab. It lists all the colonels, lieutenant colonels, majors, etc. and when they were elected, died, etc. It sometimes has information regarding consolidations and other interesting information. Then it has a by-company summary for each quarter or so. Most don't go past 1863.
 
This is my take on the situation using google earth and all the eyewitness accounts of the battle.

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The 16th Tennessee advances toward Stone's and Bush's batteries indicated in light-blue in the bottom-left of the image. Cheatham sends word that the enemy he wants attacked is at the head of the hollow. They change direction to the north-west. When they reach the top of the hill they are struck on their left flank by artillery fire from Stone. Parsons' opens on them from the north-west striking their right half of the regiment. They break the raw 123rd Illinois and eventually seize the cabins belonging to the Hafley family. They are too weak to take the guns until Maney arrives and they push in conjunction with Maney to seize the guns of Parsons' battery. They press the enemy back over 300 yards to a lane (Benton Road). They break that line and push on Stone's and Bush's guns for the next hour, but don't force him back until the arrival of Stewart.
Ain't Google Streetview a wonderful thing?

Below is the view that Bush's battery would have had. (Shame about those trees. Still, I don't suppose they were there back in 1862.)

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@37.6...u0WgdzAm8XlQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1?hl=en
 
I'm looking for information on the 41st Mississippi Infantry. My great great grandfather served in this unit and was killed in Perryville. He is one of the few named on the Confederate monument, Edmund W. Ferris from Macon, MS. Thanks in advance.
 

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