"Texas Rising"

[Nathanb1]

The Karankawa were a small coastal tribe that never adopted the horse culture of the Plains, and had been mostly wiped out by the time period of the miniseries.

That may explain the abysmal riding around the wagons they were attacking. We're talking folks in canoes who eat frogs, folks. Well, other things upon occasion, like Spanish explorers.

 

[yellowthornoftexas]

didn't at one point after the attack on the wagons, one of the 'rangers' called them Kiowa as well? I was thinking maybe Karankawa was another name for Kiowa...I dunno....
1860's, war with mexico huh? brilliant.....

 

[hrobalabama]

I gave up on it....my wife said the Santa Anna was the only nice looking one in the whole lot.

 

[ole]

I gave up on it....my wife said the Santa Anna was the only nice looking one in the whole lot.

And, she who must be obeyed carries the day.

 

[Patrick H]

The Karankawa were a small coastal tribe that never adopted the horse culture of the Plains, and had been mostly wiped out by the time period of the miniseries.

Thanks, Andy. I knew instinctively the word (name) had to be closely associated with a nation of first Americans, but I had never hear their name until now. This should not surprise anyone, because there are so MANY things I've not heard of previously. Thanks again!

 

[southern blue]

I am giving this a miss. I couldn't finish The Sons of Liberty and they way they messed with the Hatfields and McCoys and Vikings was ridiculous. I didn't trust them with Texas history.

 

[TinCan]

Remembering that this was many moons ago I recall being told in my Texas History class that the Karankawas had a nasty habit of eating those they defeated. I assume that after a while a shellfish diet goes bland and something else is needed.

 

[Buckeye Bill]

Watching this series now......

 

[kepi]

I started watching it last night on my Roku player. Unfortunately, I fell asleep about a quarter way through it, so I'll try again tonight.

However, I did notice a few things that seemed out of place like the big mountains and cowboy clothes & hats that seemed more 1870's than 1830's.

 

[Dave Hull]

I put it into the category of a Western, not history. With that in mind, it was not too bad, as an Oater. I loved the percussion cap in one shot, flintlock in the next shot, which I have seen at least three times. Very little accurate gear for history, but did jive with being an Oater.

Watching this has reminded me just how much I miss Westerns, so much so, that anything which remotely feels like a Western, now qualifies.

 

[Mr. King]

Emily Morgan ( aka The Yellow Rose of Texas ) was supposedly working (she wasn't a slave) on one of the primitive plantations near what is now Houston. (We're not talking Tara, "real" or imagined by Hollywood, or anything like at Natchez - think a big farm with a few slaves.) Santa Anna was a notorious lecher who had amused himself while in San Antonio waiting for his artillery to show up so he could storm the Alamo by engaging in a mock marriage and real enough "honeymoon" with a local senorita who he quickly packed off to Mexico City to join his other mistresses. While trailing the fugitive government of the Republic he encountered Emily and added her to his entourage. A few days later while having a "siesta", he and Emily were surprised in the afternoon of April 21, 1836, by the attacking Texicans, including 2 companies of U.S. Regulars from Louisiana "loaned" to Houston by Andy Jackson! Santa Anna fled on horseback and was captured lost and wandering around in the swampy bayous and brought back to camp where he was almost lynched; Emily disappears into the mists of history after that.

Wait a minute... There were 2 companies of US Regulars for Louisiana at the Battle of San Jacinto?

That sounds like Vlad Putin in the Ukraine.... That's the first I've heard of this. Why, then, did Texas have to wait a decade before becoming part of the US?

 

[KLSDAD]

Y'all are sure picky about details--muskets, too new costumes. Seriously, guys?

You didn't notice this is the most terrible acting ever?

... you aren't talking about Dickie Bennett are you ?!?!?

 

[Mr. King]

How did y'all like the spaghetti western style Jack Hays shootout with flintlock horse pistols. You would have thought he had a peacemaker in his hand.

 

[kepi]

... yep.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/how-realistic-is-texas-rising

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/may/25/texas-rising-american-history-reimagined-by-tea-party

http://www.inquisitr.com/2119554/te...y-inaccurate-and-thats-actually-a-good-thing/

http://www.woai.com/articles/woai-l...078/experts-texas-rising-is-good-tv-13619708/

 

[kepi]

This is a uniform from 1836


Expired Image Removed This is a uniform from the American Civil War - 1860's

 

[AndyHall]

The Texains' uniforms in the Texas Revolution were catch-as-catch-can, with lots of homespun and cast-offs from a variety of sources. If anything, the uniforms in that screenshot from the show are a little too formal.

 

[kepi]

The Texains' uniforms in the Texas Revolution were catch-as-catch-can, with lots of homespun and cast-offs from a variety of sources. If anything, the uniforms in that screenshot from the show are a little too formal.

I agree.

 

[James N.]

Expired Image Removed This is a uniform from the American Civil War - 1860's

Not quite - though it's certainly NOT ca. 1836, it's passably like those of the Mexican War era a decade later. The "silver" buttons (silvered brass or copper for officers and pewter for enlisted men) and trouser stripe are correct for infantry officers; also note the high collar, easily twice as tall as 1860's versions.

 

[James N.]

Wait a minute... There were 2 companies of US Regulars for Louisiana at the Battle of San Jacinto?

That sounds like Vlad Putin in the Ukraine.... That's the first I've heard of this. Why, then, did Texas have to wait a decade before becoming part of the US?

Supposedly they were from the garrison of Fort Jessup located almost on the U.S./Louisiana border with Tejas/Mexico. (A little west of modern-day Nachitoches.) They were "offered" a furlough if they would "volunteer" to serve as part of the Texican army! Houston wasn't in Texas by any accident, but on a mission sent by Jackson.

In a sidelight on these shady dealings, one reason Houston and others at the time really weren't concerned about going to save the Alamo was the makeup of its garrison - too many were political opponents interested more in actual independence than annexation by the U.S. David Crockett in particular was the sworn enemy of Andy ByGod Jackson and his protege James K. Polk. All 3 were Tennesseeans, but Jackson and Polk were patricians who looked down on the rusticated Crockett. William B. Travis was an attorney and newspaperman who opposed the more moderate ideas of those who were in power outside San Antonio and recognized Houston as the tool of Jackson and the Democrats. William C. Davis goes into all this in detail in his weighty tome Three Roads to the Alamo.

The waiting had far less to do with the victorious Texans and a whole lot to do with political opposition from the Whigs and particularly the New England abolitionists for reasons that should be familiar with almost all the readers of this forum. They feared Texas would naturally be admitted to the Union as one (or even broken up into more) of the slave states.

 

[AndyHall]

Why, then, did Texas have to wait a decade before becoming part of the US?

Because, like a twenty-something, it's fun to be independent and on your own until you find yourself broke and have to move back in with the parents.