Sharps vs. Spencer

I agree on the point of the spenser ammo holding up better than the Sharps. I don't agree on similiar range or accuracy the Spenser due to poor bullet shape wasn't much out past 200 yds or so. The ballistics for a Spenser round are very similar to a .44 special.As far as the weight goes I wasn't clear on. A lot of the units equipped with the Spensers found that because the rifle fired so much faster they ran out a lot quicker and needed to carry more than the standard amount.

First of all, not to be picky because I make grammar mistakes too, but it is a Spencer with a c not s. All your posts have spenser. Having the ability to fire faster and have more ammo available is a plus not a minus. Having a round available when you need it is the most valuable asset a gun can have. If you fire all your ammo needlessly that is from poor training or stupidity. There are very few regiments in the cw that did not want the Spencer when it was issued. IIRC the guns were given to units as a reward for good service.
The less you have to think about, i.e. reloading after each shot, the more time you can concentrate on your intended target with much less stress to the shooter. And most accounts of distances in the CW had most of the fighting under 200 yards.
 
I think that too many people believe in the "myth" of accuracy of a weapon. "The Legendary Sharps", an experimental weapon with experimental ammunition" Quigley Down Under sure helped the modern day myth of the Sharps. Because of the rainbow trajectory of most all muzzle-loading weapons as well as the percussion breech loaders it makes hitting a target, even a man size target, very hard to hit at ranges past 100 yards.
Most Civil War soldiers were not "accomplished rifle shots". If you do not judge the range of your target correctly, even at 150 yards, hitting with a Sharps or a Spencer is going to be a **** shoot. Yes, an accomplished marksman could hit targets at longer ranges but again these were men that knew their weapon and sights and could judge distance. Shooting at unknown distances makes first shot hits very rare. If you are off in your estimate even by 10 yards, you miss.

Too many reenactors feel they are a regular "Daniel Boone" and can hit everything they aim at. At one event a cavalryman armed with a Sharps percussion carbine proceeded to tell me he could hit a 2 foot by 2 foot target at 500 yards every time. When I told him I would bet him $100 that he could not hit it 5 out of 10 times be did not want to put his money where his mouth was but still insisted he could hit it every time. Reenactors should go out and live fire their weapon at a man-size target at different ranges that are unknown to the shooter and see how many first shot hits they get, then measure off the distance.

As to firing all of your ammunition too fast with a Spencer, as has been mentioned, that is where fire control comes into play. Also those armed with Spencers did start carrying more ammunition to take advantage of their rapidity of fire.

There have been all kinds of estimates as to how many shots were fired per casualty of the different wars. One estimate for the Civil War showed over 2500 shots fired per casualty, I am not sure how "they" come up with the number but is does seem that "they", whoever they are, know everything, LOL.

Reliable hits on a target by an individual common soldier of the Civil War was not very good. Most soldiers were not long range marksmen. Where the repeating rifles came into play was with their volume of intense fire at short range, less than 200 yards but more likely less than 100 yards. When you have the so called "Mad Minute" of fire with the Spencer a "wall of lead" can be produced from a regiment armed with them for a few seconds. I still would take the Spencer but given the choice would rather have a Henry rifle.
 
I would take the Spencer over the Sharps because of superior firepower. Most of the combat was 150 yards or closer, this was proven in WW 1 and WW2. This is why the arsenals got away from the fine sights of the 1903 Springfield and went with combat sights like those on the M1's etc. At close range, firepower is more important. Just ask Custer.
 
OK,OK. I'm biased, I'll admit it. I've shot a sharps rifle and I loved it. It feels right and for me it shot lights out. I have absolutely no experience with a Spencer with a c so I guess I'm just blinded by love.
 
It's a useless arguement. The range at which firing commenced was generally less than 200 yards. Few could reliably hit anything past 50 yards.

With the Spencer and the Henry, what you had was lead going downrange. That kept "them" buttoned up and not shooting. These days, it's called "depression" fire. Keep their heads down and you can send a force to flank them.

Much of the tactics used then are used today.
 

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