Sharps New Model 1865?

[Sgt_Elias]

@ ewmail 15 Yeah, the forend have burn signs.

Dont find markings on the wood.

And heres an picture of the barrel under it

 

[Sgt_Elias]

Just checked the tang screws with microscope. No ringtree effect...

 

[Sgt_Elias]

Argh, iPad cam really sucks in low light...

Inside of the barrel.

 

[ewmail15]

Elias, does the end of the barrel, from the inside, look like a hexagon - six-sided? Your inside rifling looks like it has more than that.

I also noticed you have the pellet primer spring on top of the lock plate. Sharps changed from percussion to rim fire (?) and did not have the four pellet primer pieces on the lock plate. Could you pull the hammer all the way back, and with your thumb perpendicular to the lock plate top push backwards from the top round screw - big fat round head. The back end of that top piece (spring) has an "L" shape, and pushing back should expose few other parts under it.

If a converted '63 or later, Jobe or others correct me, but I thought these parts would have been removed.

One more biggie, do you see a spring in the front side vertical opening of the lock plate? If that's there, my guess is you have a mismatched rifle. Looking down at your lock plate after you pushed back the primer spring, do you see a piece that's right up to the top of the primer pellet chamber? I've read folks call it a nub or a piston. I'd love to buy it from you, if you'd be so kind. They're only found on fully assembled lock plates, and nobody has any originals or repros.

 

[ewmail15]

I also just saw that with your side plate view, wthe Oct 5 '52 patent the end of the mainspring screw end (left of patent) has no aged look as shown with the sear(?) screw end to the right.

 

[Sgt_Elias]

Hi ewmail,
i try to make better pics of barrel later....

Yes, pellet primer works and have all parts inside.

About the pellet primer.... Well, im not an expert, but i think its ok on my rifle, or maybe im blind

Just looks the same to me https://ellwoodepps.com/sharps-rifle-mfg-new-model-saddle-ring-carbine-1865.html

Sorry dude, i dont remove parts from it to sell it.

 

[Sgt_Elias]

So...

Barrel has six sided hexagon..

And all the primer stuff..

Here some pics

 

[Jobe Holiday]

SgtE - In my opinion, you have a nearly unused condition Model 1865 Sharps! And, yes the pellet primer mechanism should be there. This is because it was not only the design, but there were hundreds of thousands of pellet primers still available from numerous sources.
J.

 

[Sgt_Elias]

Thanks for your posting

Its very funny, seller described it as an Palmetto in very bad condition, hehe.


Just must order the missing swivel bar and ring

Best regards, David

 

[CowCavalry]

Elias, does the end of the barrel, from the inside, look like a hexagon - six-sided? Your inside rifling looks like it has more than that.

I also noticed you have the pellet primer spring on top of the lock plate. Sharps changed from percussion to rim fire (?) and did not have the four pellet primer pieces on the lock plate. Could you pull the hammer all the way back, and with your thumb perpendicular to the lock plate top push backwards from the top round screw - big fat round head. The back end of that top piece (spring) has an "L" shape, and pushing back should expose few other parts under it.

If a converted '63 or later, Jobe or others correct me, but I thought these parts would have been removed.

One more biggie, do you see a spring in the front side vertical opening of the lock plate? If that's there, my guess is you have a mismatched rifle. Looking down at your lock plate after you pushed back the primer spring, do you see a piece that's right up to the top of the primer pellet chamber? I've read folks call it a nub or a piston. I'd love to buy it from you, if you'd be so kind. They're only found on fully assembled lock plates, and nobody has any originals or repros.

Forgive me, no expert here but what is the pellet primer system and piston you are referring to? I thought the percussion Sharps were either Maynard's tape primer system or used a winged musket cap? I had, for a brief episode, a repro Sharps carbine from Dixie Gun Works, that is the extent of my knowledge.

 

[JPChurch]

Beautiful Sharps. You made out very well with the purchase. Congrats!!!!! It looks it's safe to shoot also. Rifling looks fabulous. I used to have an original 1851 Smith that had a lot less rifling in it than your Sharps; it still shot very accurately at 50 yards back in my N-SSA days late 1980's. Enjoy your Sharps!!!

 

[Sgt_Elias]

@CowCavalry

http://www.berdansharpshooters.com/LawrencePelletPrimerSystem.pdf

Very nice informations about the Lawrence Primer System

 

[Sgt_Elias]

Anybody who knows what exactly means the R.L.S. LaMotte marking on the barrel?

Thanks

 

[ewmail15]

Quick search and found this - https://www.invaluable.co.uk/auction-lot/sharps-new-model-1863-military-rifle-396-c-4524a21bb3

RS Lawrence's inspector's initials?

 

[Sgt_Elias]

Thanks,
yes, i figured out thats inspector markings from Captain Robert S. LaMotte...

But i dont know what he inspected... just the barrel, or the complete rifle before its goin to army depot.

Maybe someone have more details about it

 

[ewmail15]

Think you stated a repro sight was on it. Here's an original I should have bought.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/996042264/sharps-1859-rear-sight.htm

 

[Sgt_Elias]

Thanks... Yeah, i want an original one.

Well, website down? Cant open the link, www.gunsamerica.com doesnt works too

Do you know the price of the rearsight?

 

[Schwallanscher]

Thanks... Yeah, i want an original one.

Well, website down? Cant open the link, www.gunsamerica.com doesnt works too

Do you know the price of the rearsight?

work both for me - $ 180

 

[Sgt_Elias]

Ah thanks...

Very curios that it doesnt work on my iPad.... maybe blocked

 

[ewmail15]

Just note that you need to pay $1 or $2 to bid and send emails to owners. The seller has hundreds of parts on the site, but has still not replied to my handful of questions. One pic only was not enough for me, so I asked for a few more - valid request I thought.