Sharps New Model 1865?

[Sgt_Elias]

Hello,
this rifle was sold to me an an Palmetto Sharps, but the seller dont really know it, he got it for selling it from an widow of an colleague.

I researched alot the past days, and don't find much informations.

Experts say that it must be an real Sharps, theres no replica ever made in .52 with all these markings.

Sadly some parts are missing, swivel bar, saddle ring and the orginial rearsight... just have an repro sight on it.

But i think its not an problem, find all parts instead of the sight for small price.

So, any opinion if that really an original, or an very good replica?

It haves alot of markings, small parts have an c, p or r stamped.

Best regards, David

 

[Schwallanscher]

you need 'i wouldn't know'-option for people like me to have something to click

 

[Sgt_Elias]

Done

 

[Schwallanscher]

Done

now stop the contest - i got a 100% majority

 

[johan_steele]

It is a real M1863 Sharps carbine.

 

[Sgt_Elias]

Thanks Mr. Steele

I dont know much about Sharps atm....

Whats the difference between M1863 and New Model 1865?

Just checked the serial number, its fit to M1865, and on the barrel it looks like an 5 at the end, not an 3

I think its the find of my life... just paid 240 Euros for it

Best regards, David

 

[19Wyoming]

Nice original 1865. I have a 1863 in the 118,000 range its a great shooter. That gun looks to be in pretty good shape
How does the bore look?

 

[Rio Bravo]

I was just about to ask what is the difference between the Sharps' New Model 1865 and the Sharps' New Model 1859.
One of the latter sold for £1500, in a local auction, back in July of this year. I handled the Carbine and overall it was in very good condition.

 

[Sgt_Elias]

The bore looks very shiny inside, i make an picture of it later...

 

[Jobe Holiday]

Sgt_Elias - You have a real antique Model 1865 Sharps Carbine! There were only about 5,000 of this model made by Sharps, so they are quite difficult to find today, and especially with it still in percussion ignition. For the price of 24o Euros you did extremely well, and it may well be the "Find of a Lifetime!"
J.

 

[johan_steele]

Thanks Mr. Steele

I dont know much about Sharps atm....

Whats the difference between M1863 and New Model 1865?

Just checked the serial number, its fit to M1865, and on the barrel it looks like an 5 at the end, not an 3

I think its the find of my life... just paid 240 Euros for it

Best regards, David

The differences are absolutely minimal and related to ease of production.

Most M1865 were converted to .50-70, those remaining in percussion usually made it into the hands of Indian Scouts during the various Indian Wars. Quite a few were sold to the French just prior to the Franco Prussian War and like the Spencer were highly regarded by those that carried them. That it managed to survive two World Wars and the anti-gun frenzy of Europe is interesting.

It is in nice condition and for 240 Euros you made out like a bandit, I would expect it would fetch 3-4 times that in the US.

 

[Sgt_Elias]

Thanks again

Oh, you can buy an 1865 for under 1000 USD? An regular replica costs more than 1000 here.

So, do i have an 1865 or 1863?

Do you know the exact differences?

Best regards, David

 

[JOHN42768]

Real

 

[Jobe Holiday]

David, there is no doubt about it, you have a Sharps Model 1865 Carbine.
J.

 

[Sgt_Elias]

Thanks for all the great Informations

So, what means the R.L.S. marking?

Just found out it is from Captain Robert S. LaMotte... but what it means?

Best regards, David

 

[UCVRelics]

Nice Piece I vote real.

 

[ewmail15]

Does the forend have burn signs? The lever-to-block link and nipple look new/repro. Beautiful piece. You want a nice rear sight go to gunsamerica.com and search for sharps rear sight. Orlandof is the guys handle, and wouldn't reply to any of my emails, so I bought a cheaper one on eBay. He probably had too many hagglers like me bothering him. Price is $180.

 

[mofederal]

It looks real to me, but I only know what I have read about the carbine. I am definitely no expert.

 

[WJC]

Hello,
this rifle was sold to me an an Palmetto Sharps, but the seller dont really know it, he got it for selling it from an widow of an colleague.

I researched alot the past days, and don't find much informations.

Experts say that it must be an real Sharps, theres no replica ever made in .52 with all these markings.

Sadly some parts are missing, swivel bar, saddle ring and the orginial rearsight... just have an repro sight on it.

But i think its not an problem, find all parts instead of the sight for small price.

So, any opinion if that really an original, or an very good replica?

It haves alot of markings, small parts have an c, p or r stamped.

Best regards, David

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Nice piece! Looks like 'the real deal' to me....

 

[ewmail15]

If you can, remove the forend screw, press on the spring and remove the band and forend. You can confirm the receiver and barrel are the same serial number. Barrel number is maybe 2-3 inches forward of the screw base.

Don't know if you stated above, but do the forend and/or stock have any pressed-in factory markings? I'm working on a '59 carbine restoration and needed many parts. Forend has a mark on the bottom rear nearest the block.

You'll need a high magnification glass to check out some numbers. What I've noticed with screw heads is that the repros have a tree ring effect. Could be wrong, but good bet. The tang screws look questionable.