Handguns Reproduction revolvers

[Jonl51]

Greetings,
Do any of you with reproduction revolvers know of a model that is made with a hammer that has a roller?
Thank you.

 

[sourdough]

Jonl51,

Insofar as Pietta and Uberti repros manufactured since ~2000 (when they both went to CNC machining), all of the Colt type repros [1848 Dragoon, 1848/1849 Pocket, 1851 Navy (and associated Confederate cousins), 1860 Army, 1861 Navy, 1862 Pocket Police/Pocket Navy] all have rollers on the bottom of the hammer. The Walker and the Whitneyville Hartford Dragoon (Uberti) may not as they have the V-type mainspring and were made to mimic the originals. The earlier pistols (Armi San Marco and Armi San Paolo) may or may not, depending upon manufacture date, but any of those guns manufactured from the mid-70's onward will have a roller.

I cannot vouch for any Remington NMA/NMN guns as I have no experience with them, and personally don't like them because of the grip angle.

I also do not have any experience with Pedersoli revolvers.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Jim

 

[Jonl51]

Jonl51,

Insofar as Pietta and Uberti repros manufactured since ~2000 (when they both went to CNC machining), all of the Colt type repros [1848 Dragoon, 1848/1849 Pocket, 1851 Navy (and associated Confederate cousins), 1860 Army, 1861 Navy, 1862 Pocket Police/Pocket Navy] all have rollers on the bottom of the hammer. The Walker and the Whitneyville Hartford Dragoon (Uberti) may not as they have the V-type mainspring and were made to mimic the originals. The earlier pistols (Armi San Marco and Armi San Paolo) may or may not, depending upon manufacture date, but any of those guns manufactured from the mid-70's onward will have a roller.

I cannot vouch for any Remington NMA/NMN guns as I have no experience with them, and personally don't like them because of the grip angle.

I also do not have any experience with Pedersoli revolvers.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Jim

Thank you Jim. That helps a lot. Regards. John

 

[Kirk Womack]

My Pietta Remington Army has a roller on the hammer.

 

[Jonl51]

My Pietta Remington Army has a roller on the hammer.

Thank you! Appreciate it. Jonl51

 

[Jonl51]

My Pietta Remington Army has a roller on the hammer.

Thank you!

 

[Jonl51]

Jonl51,

Insofar as Pietta and Uberti repros manufactured since ~2000 (when they both went to CNC machining), all of the Colt type repros [1848 Dragoon, 1848/1849 Pocket, 1851 Navy (and associated Confederate cousins), 1860 Army, 1861 Navy, 1862 Pocket Police/Pocket Navy] all have rollers on the bottom of the hammer. The Walker and the Whitneyville Hartford Dragoon (Uberti) may not as they have the V-type mainspring and were made to mimic the originals. The earlier pistols (Armi San Marco and Armi San Paolo) may or may not, depending upon manufacture date, but any of those guns manufactured from the mid-70's onward will have a roller.

I cannot vouch for any Remington NMA/NMN guns as I have no experience with them, and personally don't like them because of the grip angle.

I also do not have any experience with Pedersoli revolvers.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Jim

Jim, If you have time can you look at the number of lands and grooves as well as the rifling direction on a couple of your 1851 Navy reproductions? Thank you! John

 

[sourdough]

Jim, If you have time can you look at the number of lands and grooves as well as the rifling direction on a couple of your 1851 Navy reproductions? Thank you! John

Hi John!

My 1851 Navy .36 revolvers are all Pietta. The rifling is a RH (clockwise) twist with no gain. This is true for both octagonal and part round/part octagonal barrels. Uberti Navies also have the same number of lands/grooves and twist, but the bore dimensions are larger than Pietta.

I cheated: this is a scan from my 2015 Dixie Gun Works catalog:

The DGW catalog ($5) has a wealth of info in many areas. All of their repro offerings list barrel specifications except direction of twist.

PC0169 2020 Dixie Gun Works Catalog

<p>Note: Our default shipping method is Bulk Rate. This option ships your catalog via the U.S. Postal Service and can take 2 to 3 weeks for delivery. <p> You may choose to upgrade your shipping to UPS ground delivery for an additional $2.00 (making your total catalog order = $7.00) by selecting...

www.dixiegunworks.com

Hope this helps!

Regards,

Jim

 

[Jonl51]

Jim, If you have time can you look at the number of lands and grooves as well as the rifling direction on a couple of your 1851 Navy reproductions? Thank you! John

Hi John!

My 1851 Navy .36 revolvers are all Pietta. The rifling is a RH (clockwise) twist with no gain. This is true for both octagonal and part round/part octagonal barrels. Uberti Navies also have the same number of lands/grooves and twist, but the bore dimensions are larger than Pietta.

I cheated: this is a scan from my 2015 Dixie Gun Works catalog:

View attachment 330335

The DGW catalog ($5) has a wealth of info in many areas. All of their repro offerings list barrel specifications except direction of twist.

PC0169 2020 Dixie Gun Works Catalog

<p>Note: Our default shipping method is Bulk Rate. This option ships your catalog via the U.S. Postal Service and can take 2 to 3 weeks for delivery. <p> You may choose to upgrade your shipping to UPS ground delivery for an additional $2.00 (making your total catalog order = $7.00) by selecting...

www.dixiegunworks.com

Hope this helps!

Regards,

Jim

Hi Jim, yes that is a big help. I only have one repro ( that I know of! ) an EIG G&G Navy which has 6 lands & grooves, shallow rifling with LH twist, no gain. Thank you much! Regards, John

 

[Jonl51]

Jim, If you have time can you look at the number of lands and grooves as well as the rifling direction on a couple of your 1851 Navy reproductions? Thank you! John

Hi John!

My 1851 Navy .36 revolvers are all Pietta. The rifling is a RH (clockwise) twist with no gain. This is true for both octagonal and part round/part octagonal barrels. Uberti Navies also have the same number of lands/grooves and twist, but the bore dimensions are larger than Pietta.

I cheated: this is a scan from my 2015 Dixie Gun Works catalog:

View attachment 330335

The DGW catalog ($5) has a wealth of info in many areas. All of their repro offerings list barrel specifications except direction of twist.

PC0169 2020 Dixie Gun Works Catalog

<p>Note: Our default shipping method is Bulk Rate. This option ships your catalog via the U.S. Postal Service and can take 2 to 3 weeks for delivery. <p> You may choose to upgrade your shipping to UPS ground delivery for an additional $2.00 (making your total catalog order = $7.00) by selecting...

www.dixiegunworks.com

Hope this helps!

Regards,

Jim

Hi Jim, yes that is a big help. I only have one repro ( that I know of! ) an EIG G&G Navy which has 6 lands & grooves, shallow rifling with LH twist, no gain. Thank you much! Regards, John

 

[sourdough]

Hi Jim, yes that is a big help. I only have one repro (that I know of!) an EIG G&G Navy which has 6 lands & grooves, shallow rifling with LH twist, no gain. Thank you much! Regards, John

EIG (Saul Eig) was an importer of Italian guns based in Florida, basically in the 70's and early 80's. He sold many, most made by Armi San Marco (ASM) and Armi San Paolo (ASP), and most were brass framed. His mark is usually on the bottom of the backstrap. If you look at the gun closely it may have a manufacturer's mark on the bottom of the frame near the serial number (where the barrel lug meets the frame). ASM used an equilateral triangle with the letters "A S M" cryptic in the inset of the triangle. Not sure about an ASP mark. Back in Saul's day there were other minor Italian manufacturers from northern Italy trying to get into the market. Pietta, Uberti, and Pedersole seem to have put the others to rest in Italy.

I am also interested in any other repros you may have?

What is the date code on your G&G?

I have always liked the brass framed Griswold & Gunnison for the part round/part octagonal barrel and the smooth non-engraved cylinder. I have one made by Pietta (CN/2015).

Here it is paired with a Pietta Rigdon & Ansley parts (VTI) gun I assembled on a 1851 Navy frame (I had the 6 extra stop slots/approaches in the plain cylinder cut by my machinist neighbor):

Regards,

Jim

 

[Jonl51]

EIG (Saul Eig) was an importer of Italian guns based in Florida, basically in the 70's and early 80's. He sold many, most made by Armi San Marco (ASM) and Armi San Paolo (ASP), and most were brass framed. His mark is usually on the bottom of the backstrap. If you look at the gun closely it may have a manufacturer's mark on the bottom of the frame near the serial number (where the barrel lug meets the frame). ASM used an equilateral triangle with the letters "A S M" cryptic in the inset of the triangle. Not sure about an ASP mark. Back in Saul's day there were other minor Italian manufacturers from northern Italy trying to get into the market. Pietta, Uberti, and Pedersole seem to have put the others to rest in Italy.

I am also interested in any other repros you may have?

What is the date code on your G&G?

I have always liked the brass framed Griswold & Gunnison for the part round/part octagonal barrel and the smooth non-engraved cylinder. I have one made by Pietta (CN/2015).

Here it is paired with a Pietta Rigdon & Ansley parts (VTI) gun I assembled on a 1851 Navy frame (I had the 6 extra stop slots/approaches in the plain cylinder cut by my machinist neighbor):

View attachment 330349

Regards,

Jim

Jim, Here are a few pictures of the G&G, serial #1538. I can't locate a date code anywhere and same for makers mark. There is a star within a circle over what looks like a shield containing some marks ( can't make them out ) on the cylinder between two stops. Can we get a mfg. date by the serial number? Regards, John

 

[Jonl51]

EIG (Saul Eig) was an importer of Italian guns based in Florida, basically in the 70's and early 80's. He sold many, most made by Armi San Marco (ASM) and Armi San Paolo (ASP), and most were brass framed. His mark is usually on the bottom of the backstrap. If you look at the gun closely it may have a manufacturer's mark on the bottom of the frame near the serial number (where the barrel lug meets the frame). ASM used an equilateral triangle with the letters "A S M" cryptic in the inset of the triangle. Not sure about an ASP mark. Back in Saul's day there were other minor Italian manufacturers from northern Italy trying to get into the market. Pietta, Uberti, and Pedersole seem to have put the others to rest in Italy.

I am also interested in any other repros you may have?

What is the date code on your G&G?

I have always liked the brass framed Griswold & Gunnison for the part round/part octagonal barrel and the smooth non-engraved cylinder. I have one made by Pietta (CN/2015).

Here it is paired with a Pietta Rigdon & Ansley parts (VTI) gun I assembled on a 1851 Navy frame (I had the 6 extra stop slots/approaches in the plain cylinder cut by my machinist neighbor):

View attachment 330349

Regards,

Jim

Jim, Very nice looking revolvers! It sounds like you have a great collection and have a lot of knowledge about many repro types and makers. Been collecting for a while? Best, John

 

[sourdough]

Jim, Here are a few pictures of the G&G, serial #1538. I can't locate a date code anywhere and same for makers mark. There is a star within a circle over what looks like a shield containing some marks ( can't make them out ) on the cylinder between two stops. Can we get a mfg. date by the serial number? Regards, John

John,

The marking is one of two proof marks found on all Italian revolvers shipped from the factory as an assembled gun (kit guns won't have them). They are found on the frame, barrel lug, and cylinder. You have a defarbed/antiqued replica made by someone trying to create a G&G. The serial numbers (not original to the gun) are where Griswold & Gunnison would have placed them. As it does not even come close to having the quirks of the original guns, it may have been created as a re-enactor's pistol.

Edit: The base gun is not an Uberti pistol (which has a V-notch load aperture on the barrel lug) but more than likely is a Pietta G&G (large beveled load aperture, brass frame, smooth cylinder, and part round/part octagon barrel, like the one I have in the photo above).

Regards,

Jim

 

[Jonl51]

John,

The marking is one of two proof marks found on all Italian revolvers shipped from the factory as an assembled gun (kit guns won't have them). They are found on the frame, barrel lug, and cylinder. You have a defarbed/antiqued replica made by someone trying to create a G&G. The serial numbers (not original to the gun) are where Griswold & Gunnison would have placed them. As it does not even come close to having the quirks of the original guns, it may have been created as a re-enactor's pistol.

Regards,

Jim

Jim, thank you for the info on this gun. I'm sure your are absolutely right about it being defarbed as there is further evidence of factory marks being removed on the underside where the barrel meets the frame. I just picked it up pretty reasonable at a local Civil War show sold as a repro. I liked the looks and wanted a repro to examine and compare against authentic civil war revolvers. I may shoot it on occasion too.
Best, John

 

[sourdough]

I'm sure your are absolutely right about it being defarbed as there is further evidence of factory marks being removed on the underside where the barrel meets the frame.

That is the area on the frame where the true serial number would have been.

Jim

 

[Jonl51]

Thank

John,

The marking is one of two proof marks found on all Italian revolvers shipped from the factory as an assembled gun (kit guns won't have them). They are found on the frame, barrel lug, and cylinder. You have a defarbed/antiqued replica made by someone trying to create a G&G. The serial numbers (not original to the gun) are where Griswold & Gunnison would have placed them. As it does not even come close to having the quirks of the original guns, it may have been created as a re-enactor's pistol.

Edit: The base gun is not an Uberti pistol (which has a V-notch load aperture on the barrel lug) but more than likely is a Pietta G&G (large beveled load aperture, brass frame, smooth cylinder, and part round/part octagon barrel, like the one I have in the photo above).

Regards,

Jim

Thanks Jim!

 

[Jonl51]

Thank

John,

The marking is one of two proof marks found on all Italian revolvers shipped from the factory as an assembled gun (kit guns won't have them). They are found on the frame, barrel lug, and cylinder. You have a defarbed/antiqued replica made by someone trying to create a G&G. The serial numbers (not original to the gun) are where Griswold & Gunnison would have placed them. As it does not even come close to having the quirks of the original guns, it may have been created as a re-enactor's pistol.

Edit: The base gun is not an Uberti pistol (which has a V-notch load aperture on the barrel lug) but more than likely is a Pietta G&G (large beveled load aperture, brass frame, smooth cylinder, and part round/part octagon barrel, like the one I have in the photo above).

Regards,

Jim

Thanks Jim!

 

[Jonl51]

Jonl51,

Insofar as Pietta and Uberti repros manufactured since ~2000 (when they both went to CNC machining), all of the Colt type repros [1848 Dragoon, 1848/1849 Pocket, 1851 Navy (and associated Confederate cousins), 1860 Army, 1861 Navy, 1862 Pocket Police/Pocket Navy] all have rollers on the bottom of the hammer. The Walker and the Whitneyville Hartford Dragoon (Uberti) may not as they have the V-type mainspring and were made to mimic the originals. The earlier pistols (Armi San Marco and Armi San Paolo) may or may not, depending upon manufacture date, but any of those guns manufactured from the mid-70's onward will have a roller.

I cannot vouch for any Remington NMA/NMN guns as I have no experience with them, and personally don't like them because of the grip angle.

I also do not have any experience with Pedersoli revolvers.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Jim

Hi Jim, This may sound like a strange question, but there is an important reason for my asking so here goes. Are any of your repro CW revolvers made of iron instead of steel? Especially the barrels. Are you aware of any manufacturers who made iron barrels in their CW repros? Thank you
and best regards, John

 

[Kirk Womack]

I'm not aware of any, steel is exclusively used in all Italian replica revolvers. Why?