POW Myth?

debwallsmith

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Why is it assumed that POWs who survived died shortly after they returned home? I am looking for honest opinions NOT comments about which side treated their prisoners worst. I would also appreciate citations to articles or books that address this issue.

Thanks.
 
Why is it assumed that POWs who survived died shortly after they returned home? I am looking for honest opinions NOT comments about which side treated their prisoners worst. I would also appreciate citations to articles or books that address this
I think a lot depends on your definition of "returned home." Does it mean they make it to their actual houses? In a hospital in their home state? While being transported back to their place of origin? At a parole camp? It's a pretty vague term.
 
Why is it assumed that POWs who survived died shortly after they returned home? I am looking for honest opinions NOT comments about which side treated their prisoners worst. I would also appreciate citations to articles or books that address this issue.

Thanks.
Life was tough back then to begin with. Peoples diets weren't the best and add to that all kinds of diseases. Then the war comes along and you find yourself in absolutely the worst circumstances imaginable but then it gets worse. You're a POW living in fetid conditions without shelter, barely clothed, and subject to torrential rain, freezing cold, heat and humidity that would make a pig sweat, and with hardly any food at all. Your body and your brain are totally traumatized and then you're free. All of the above mentioned come into play and your body and mind can't handle it. If you don't kill your self from PTSD your body will.
 
I had three direct line ancestors who spent time in POW camps. One died in the hospital shortly after release but the other two lived to be old men. I have not seen a lot of people assume that POWs died soon after release and I'm not sure the data would support that belief either. It really varies a lot by how long they were in, where they were held, where they went after, etc.
 
Why is it assumed that POWs who survived died shortly after they returned home? I am looking for honest opinions NOT comments about which side treated their prisoners worst. I would also appreciate citations to articles or books that address this issue.

Thanks.
I'm also unaware of a general assumption that (all, most, many?) POWs died shortly after they returned home. What information prompted your question? (Just asking - that isn't intended to be confrontational 😊)
 
I had three direct line ancestors who spent time in POW camps. One died in the hospital shortly after release but the other two lived to be old men. I have not seen a lot of people assume that POWs died soon after release and I'm not sure the data would support that belief either. It really varies a lot by how long they were in, where they were held, where they went after, etc.
That's what got my attention @lupaglupa. Who is assuming POWs died soon after returning home? If true, why would this be surprising given the reasons @CavRTO stated and more?
 
I had three direct line ancestors who spent time in POW camps. One died in the hospital shortly after release but the other two lived to be old men. I have not seen a lot of people assume that POWs died soon after release and I'm not sure the data would support that belief either. It really varies a lot by how long they were in, where they were held, where they went after, etc.
You're probably right, but we'll never know for sure. I tried to imagine from I've read, what it must've been like for returning POW's given what life was like back then. There was no psychiatric help, and medicine and health habits were still primitive. If you look at reports of POW and death camp survivors from WWII, especially those held by the Japanese, that without modern medicine and an understanding that a rapid infusion of food can kill people whose bodies were traumatized by their captivity would it not be possible that a good number of civil war POW's succumbed shortly after release? We'll never know for sure.
 
Why is it assumed that POWs who survived died shortly after they returned home? I am looking for honest opinions NOT comments about which side treated their prisoners worst. I would also appreciate citations to articles or books that address this issue.

Thanks.
I think a lot depends on your definition of "returned home." Does it mean they make it to their actual houses? In a hospital in their home state? While being transported back to their place of origin? At a parole camp? It's a pretty vague term.
Being a native East Tennessean, I had relatives on both sides that died while prisoners of war. This is the one definitive work on the Civil War prison experience in my opinion. He pulls no punches for either side.
 
I think a lot depends on your definition of "returned home." Does it mean they make it to their actual houses? In a hospital in their home state? While being transported back to their place of origin? At a parole camp? It's a pretty vague term.

I think a lot depends on your definition of "returned home." Does it mean they make it to their actual houses? In a hospital in their home state? While being transported back to their place of origin? At a parole camp? It's a pretty vague term.
My definition of "returned home" means actually making it home to family and friend, the place they left when they signed up to fight.
 
Life was tough back then to begin with. Peoples diets weren't the best and add to that all kinds of diseases. Then the war comes along and you find yourself in absolutely the worst circumstances imaginable but then it gets worse. You're a POW living in fetid conditions without shelter, barely clothed, and subject to torrential rain, freezing cold, heat and humidity that would make a pig sweat, and with hardly any food at all. Your body and your brain are totally traumatized and then you're free. All of the above mentioned come into play and your body and mind can't handle it. If you don't kill your self from PTSD your body will.
I realize that life was tough even before the war but I'm looking for specifics on why it is assumed that being a POW shortened their lifespan.
 
Why is it assumed that POWs who survived died shortly after they returned home? I am looking for honest opinions NOT comments about which side treated their prisoners worst. I would also appreciate citations to articles or books that address this issue.

Thanks.
My paternal 2 x gr grandfather from Wilkes County, NC was a 40-year-old father of seven, He was conscripted in Feb.1864. After about a month of training, he was sent to the front in Virginia. He managed to survive the Overland Campaign and Seige of Petersburg. He was captured on April 2, 1865, when the Confederate lines were broken. He was confined in the last Civil War prison camp at Hart Island, NY. until mid-June 1865. He was furnished rail transportation to probably Wilkesboro where he walked to his home in the Brushy Mountains. He died sometime in the early 1900s. Applied for a pension on June 13, 1901. He must have been a tuff old ridge runner.

In East Tennessee, a 4 x gr grandfather died at Camp Morton, Indiana. He entered Confederate service as a 56-year-old replacement into Company E 60th TN. He was captured on May 17, 1863, at Big Black River. Died on the following July 2nd. Two 2 x gr, granduncles Lieutenant Richard and Private John Coppas along with a 3 x gr granduncle, Private Harvey Gray of Company E 60th TN. Richard died in August 1863 at Johnson's Island. Harvey died in July, John in Oct.1863 at Fort Delaware.

My paternal grandmother's paternal grandfather was a Union Cavalryman in Co.G 8th TN Cavalry. He was captured on Oct.19, 1863, at Zollicoffer, TN. confined at Danville, VA. His widow was told he was shot attempting escape on or about April 15, 1864.

My wife's 4 x 1st cousin, Union Private Silas Anderson Co.D 11th KY Cavalry was captured at Huff's Ferry, TN 11 / 14 / 1864. He died and is buried at Andersonville.
 
What is this assumption from? You keep saying "it is assumed".......by who and in what context.
It has been a topic of discussion at many of the Civil War roundtables I have attended over the years as well as from monitoring chats in a variety of Civil War social media platforms.
 
There is an interesting thread about the life spans of former POWs here you might want to look at -

 
As often happens, I find (possibly) interesting things while specifically looking for something entirely different. In this case, it is a fairly recent study out of UCLA that shows that the lifespans of the sons of Civil War POWs were shortened compared to those of the sons of soldiers who were not POWs. And yes, the writing style is what you would expect from a research study/clinical trial (and so is the math).

Intergenerational Transmission of Paternal Trauma Among US Civil War Ex-POWs

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1803630115

This is UCLA Health's translation for the rest of us (especially the math challenged):

 
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This study might be of interest, although the final published version came out in November 2012. It is available free through the National Library of Medicine.

Scarring and Mortality Selection Among Civil War POWs: A Long-Term Mobidity, Mortality and Socioeconomic Follow-Up by Dora L. Costa


Once again, the writing style and math are what one would expect from a research study/clinical trial.
 
As often happens, I find (possibly) interesting things while specifically looking for something entirely different. In this case, it is a fairly recent study out of UCLA that shows that the lifespans of the sons of Civil War POWs were shortened compared to those of the sons of soldiers who were not POWs. And yes, the writing style is what you would expect from a research study/clinical trial (and so is the math).

Intergenerational Transmission of Paternal Trauma Among US Civil War Ex-POWs

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1803630115

This is UCLA Health's translation for the rest of us (especially the math challenged):

That's interesting- thanks for sharing.

So the effects of trauma incurred by the father can be genetically forwarded to the offspring? And these same potential effects can be countered by the mother's nutritional intake in utero?

Just not so sure…..
 

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