Need help with information on bayonet

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Hey all! First off, this is my first post so I hope I'm in the right place. I recently came into possession of a bayonet that's been in the family for generations. I believe I have narrowed it down to a M1855 socket bayonet. I am not entirely sure whether the scabbard (I believe that is the correct term) is matched to the bayonet, but the scabbard says "N. CROWN & CO." on the top line and "COLUMBUS GEO" below that. The bayonet itself only has the US marking on the shank that I can read. The dimensions of the bayonet are as follows: Blade length: 17 7/8", Socket length: 3", overall length: 21", inner diameter of the socket: 0.796", outer diameter of the socket: 0.957". The scabbard also has a wooden finial which is different from all other scabbards I could find online. I mainly want to know any potential story something like this has and/or value. I see a ton of the 1855 bayonets for sale so I'm not expecting a lot of value, but I'm definitely curious about the scabbard becuase I cannot find a single other listing with a scabbard with this manufacturer. I Will try to attach photos. Thanks all in advanced!

 

[UCVRelics]

Interesting piece. Could you post a photo of the Crown & Co marking. Crown made tarred oilcloth items for the CS. Cap boxes, cartridge boxes etc. There are also repops of their products. I'm sure our CW leather expert @Package4 will have a lot more info.

 

[scooter748driver]

Welcome from the Fort Sumter and the Fredericksburg forums.

 

[Package4]

Interesting piece. Could you post a photo of the Crown & Co marking. Crown made tarred oilcloth items for the CS. Cap boxes, cartridge boxes etc. There are also repops of their products. I'm sure our CW leather expert @Package4 will have a lot more info.

I apologize, was traveling this week and have been in private conversations with the owner of this piece. Photographs are difficult to determine authenticity, but if this were to be found authentic it is truly a rare piece. The scabbard has all the earmarks of a N Crown & Co piece. The scabbard body being made of leather with the finial turned wood. The frog is made of painted canvas/cotton and painted/tarred.

The only way to authenticate a piece like this would be in person, the stitching and stamping are critical in the process. The pictures are mis-leading due to camera flash and angle, which distorts color of stitching and depth of stamping.

I referred the owner to two individuals who are fairly close who may be able to help with in person authentication. There are a few others who may want to travel to see it as it is that rare.

Unfortunately, there are many hard core re-enactors who will replicate any piece out there to improve their impressions. Then there are the despicable who take original pieces and recreate rare CS items for sale.

To be clear, I am not impugning anyone related to this piece, just that some of the recreations get into the community in various ways and acquire a back story. Thus the need for in person appraisal.

I am heartily rooting for this piece to be authentic!

Oh the bayonet has a little value, but is a throw away in comparison to the scabbard.

 

[JackADriscoll]

I apologize, was traveling this week and have been in private conversations with the owner of this piece. Photographs are difficult to determine authenticity, but if this were to be found authentic it is truly a rare piece. The scabbard has all the earmarks of a N Crown & Co piece. The scabbard body being made of leather with the finial turned wood. The frog is made of painted canvas/cotton and painted/tarred.

The only way to authenticate a piece like this would be in person, the stitching and stamping are critical in the process. The pictures are mis-leading due to camera flash and angle, which distorts color of stitching and depth of stamping.

I referred the owner to two individuals who are fairly close who may be able to help with in person authentication. There are a few others who may want to travel to see it as it is that rare.

Unfortunately, there are many hard core re-enactors who will replicate any piece out there to improve their impressions. Then there are the despicable who take original pieces and recreate rare CS items for sale.

To be clear, I am not impugning anyone related to this piece, just that some of the recreations get into the community in various ways and acquire a back story. Thus the need for in person appraisal.

I am heartily rooting for this piece to be authentic!

Oh the bayonet has a little value, but is a throw away in comparison to the scabbard.

We're all dying to know if authentic approximate value. I hope it's real

 

[JOHN42768]

Welcome, enjoy

 

[R. Porter]

A wooden finial? I didn't know such things existed.

 

[UCVRelics]

A wooden finial? I didn't know such things existed.

The South needed brass for more important things. Most CS cap and cartridge boxes had lead finials.