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So to cut through all the history, true or invented, what really is McClellan's legitimate role in American Civil War?
I'm not sure what you mean by "legitimate", but here's a go...So to cut through all the history, true or invented, what really is McClellan's legitimate role in American Civil War?
Not just that, they wanted the Confederacy defeated on the cheap. That's why they closed recruiting in early 1862 - too expensive to keep doing it.when he was being measured by the probably unrealistic goals of the Lincoln administration, which demanded quick and decisive action at defeating the confederacy.
So to cut through all the history, true or invented, what really is McClellan's legitimate role in American Civil War?
"We ought instead of retreating should follow up the enemy and take Richmond. And in full view of all responsible for such declaration, I say to you all, such an order can only be prompted by cowardice or treason." -- Phil Kearney
After Malvern Hill, McClellan ordered his army to continue their withdrawal to Harrison's Landing. Some of his officers believed the army should have followed up the battle with an attack of their own. Should McClellan have ordered an attack, or was continuing the retreat to Harrison's Landing the right decision?
So... nothing for Antietam?Objectively, these are his roles in the civil war and what he ought to be remembered for and can be generally agreed on.
Given that the Union army hadn't eaten properly for days and was almost out of ammunition, with no supply route, and Lee was launching half his army to envelop Malvern, I don't think it can be said to be a definite mistake.In hindsight the evacuation of Malvern Hill was a definite mistake. It was a strong position and leaving even a portion of the army there would have made it difficult for the Confederates to engage in any pursuit of the Army of the Potomac. Instead it was the abandonment of a very powerful position for a retreat which accomplished nothing.
Only half of Lee's force was engaged at Malvern, Longstreet's wing had been sent off on an envelopment march and arrived the next morning. The reason there was no pursuit was because Longstreet had already set off to envelop, and the net closed shortly after McClellan had vacated it.However, McClellan's misreading of the battle robbed him of probably his only real chance to inflict a powerful reversal on the Confederate army during the Peninsula Campaign, as Lee's forces were exhausted and had spent themselves in fruitless counterattacks (hence Lee's lack of pursuit) and in doing so he decisively surrendered the initiative of the whole campaign.
McClellan was outnumbered. If you measure the armies by Effectives or by PFD McClellan's force is smaller. (cf. Harsh). Determining strength by Malvern is a bit harder because Lee was being reinforced even as the Seven Days took place (44th Ala and 48th Georgia, possibly nearly 2,000 as both were fresh and the 44th had organized the previous month with over 1,000) and because both sides' organization suffered badly, with McClellan probably ending up the more disorganized because of the marching out of supply. (This impacts Effectives.)Considering McClellan's own view that he was outnumbered, it is unlikely even this small advantage could have been used effectively.
In hindsight the evacuation of Malvern Hill was a definite mistake.
It was a strong position and leaving even a portion of the army there would have made it difficult for the Confederates to engage in any pursuit of the Army of the Potomac.
Instead it was the abandonment of a very powerful position for a retreat which accomplished nothing.
However, McClellan's misreading of the battle robbed him of probably his only real chance to inflict a powerful reversal on the Confederate army during the Peninsula Campaign, as Lee's forces were exhausted and had spent themselves in fruitless counterattacks (hence Lee's lack of pursuit) and in doing so he decisively surrendered the initiative of the whole campaign.
Whether a counterattack could have regained the initiative is in the realm of speculation.
At best it might have driven Lee back to his defences, but that would simply put him back in the position the Confederates were at before Seven Pines, and maybe not even that.
However, anything that forced Lee to retreat rather than McClellan would have been a step in the right direction. Considering McClellan's own view that he was outnumbered, it is unlikely even this small advantage could have been used effectively.
Have you ever been to Malvern Hill?If it was a mistake then it was less of a mistake than staying would have been. Malvern Hill is not a particularly strong position because it has no way of landing supplies.
McClellan had not intended to withdraw to Malvern, which was the left anchor of his battle line. The general commanding the right wing of the line, Franklin, withdrew without orders and without telling anyone. The army scrambled to reassemble in a new position after this.
McClellan had ordered supplies landed at Carter's Landing. Indeed the quartermaster actually started landing supplies at Carter's. The Navy refused to defend Carter's, which is what McClellan had to visit Rodgers to argue about.
Lee for his part did not intend to attack the position at Malvern directly. He had tasked Longstreet with taking his corps (his own division and AP Hill's) round Malvern to envelop it. Conditional orders were issued to Magruder and Jackson to attack if the Federal started abandoning the hill.
Around 1600 or so Armistead advanced some skirmishers to drive off some sharpshooters who were harassing his batteries. His brigade was the directing brigade of the division and this was misinterpreted and the whole division (Huger's, with the brigades of Mahone, Wright and Armistead) launched an attack against Morell's division which was three brigades deep along the Malvern Cliff. The division never got close to Griffin's brigade. Cobb's brigade was adjacent to Huger's division and advanced before realising the mistake. They didn't become engaged.
After Huger's division had been repulsed, at ca. 1800 DH Hill launched his 5 brigades directly at Couch's division (which is 2 up, 1 back), and is similarly repulsed.
Finally, after DH Hill has been repulsed Magruder commits to attack around 1900, and attacks with his 4 available brigades (Toombs, GT Anderson, Cobb and Griffith's under Barksdale), striking Morell's division. Morell had rotated his brigades, placing the fresh brigade of Butterfield out front.
Hence at Malvern you have three separate attacks by a total of 12 brigades (one of 3, then 5, then 4). There were another 13 brigades available which did not attack (the divisions of Jackson, Ewell, Whiting, Ransom and McLaws). Meanwhile Longstreet with 12 brigades had his movement suspended for the duration whilst Lee tried to stop the attacks. He berated Magruder for the attack, which he had not ordered.
This shows that the Malvern Cliff was a strong position, which it was. However, this speaks nothing to the position in general. There was no barrier preventing the envelopment of the position, and nowhere to land supplies. Remaining there would have been a death sentence.
No, because the pursuit went around Malvern to the east. Longstreet moved at dawn on the 2nd July as had been intended for the afternoon of the 1st. Any portion of the army left on the hill are captured. If the whole force remained on the hill it would have been captured.
Except preventing the compelled surrender of the entire army by starvation.
Lee did pursue, and there's a whole extra battle yet to be fought. The Battle of Evelington Heights. Said battle ended with McClellan in possession of a strong position on high ground, but one with swamps to either side preventing Lee turning him.
Not really. McClellan troops were exhausted, hadn't slept for days and hadn't eaten for days. The artillery had almost no ammunition left, and many of the troops had no ammunition either. All coming down off a good defensive position into a valley and then attacking a good defensive position would have caused is slaughter, and then capture as Jackson would then be behind and to the right of any counterattacking force ready to cut them off.
That's essentially impossible. Lee had 25 usable infantry brigades to hand, and had sort of constructed a box for any counterattack to come into. Shades of Cannae...
McClellan of course was outnumbered. The attacks on the Cliffs showed that one well supported brigade could easily repel a whole division. Lee then had 4 brigades blocking any advance well dug in and on similar terrain, and a whole Corps of 9 brigades ready to sweep in behind any counterattack, and another Corps of 12 brigades in reserve.
Of the forces on the northern foothills of Malvern Hill, only 12 of 37 brigades were engaged on 1st July. There are 25 more brigades awaiting any counterattack.
Ah, my mistake, an immediate advance after the end of the battle would have been less than an hour before sunset. Yeah, that's not enough time for anything resembling a major battle - and to force the Confederates back to the position they were in "before Seven Pines" would be impossible, as that's a ten mile advance and you could barely move cavalry that far before dusk against zero opposition.After Huger's division had been repulsed, at ca. 1800 DH Hill launched his 5 brigades directly at Couch's division (which is 2 up, 1 back), and is similarly repulsed.
Finally, after DH Hill has been repulsed Magruder commits to attack around 1900, and attacks with his 4 available brigades (Toombs, GT Anderson, Cobb and Griffith's under Barksdale), striking Morell's division. Morell had rotated his brigades, placing the fresh brigade of Butterfield out front.
Ah, my mistake, an immediate advance after the end of the battle would have been less than an hour before sunset. Yeah, that's not enough time for anything resembling a major battle - and to force the Confederates back to the position they were in "before Seven Pines" would be impossible, as that's a ten mile advance and you could barely move cavalry that far before dusk against zero opposition.
Even worse. Okay, no chance whatsoever for a counterattack immediately after Malvern.Porter's line was in contact until over an hour after sundown (he says firing stopped at 2030). When he signals back to HQ at 2130 that he could hold his position if reinforced and resupplied, and maybe even think about a counterattack, it is dark.
How so? His defensive line was clearly well placed, but an immediate counterattack was impossible because once the fighting ended it was near enough full dark. (It's actually sunset at 2030 hours at Richmond on July 1, though that's today with regularized timezones and DST.)IMO, Malvern Hill proved Mac's incompetence.
Ah, my thanks for the correction. So you had:On you map, Jackson's command was along the Western Run with the divisions of Jackson, Ewell and Hood. They were mainly astride the roads, but blocked the eastern side.
Holmes' division covered the west side.