Lorenz rifle

southernguns

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I'm trying to find a lock for a Lorenz rifle that I will be getting from my inlaws in Greensboro, N.C. Could someone advise me what model/year to help me decide which will fit? Hope I can upload a pic. Any ideas of where I can purchase a complete lock, side plate, and screws would also be appreciated. Thanks
 

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Welcome to the site! You have a Austrian Model 1854 Lorenz Rifle Musket. I would suggest contacting http://www.lodgewood.com/ for the parts you need. They are reputable and pleasant to work with. I must say that the Lorenz arms were hand fitted, so whatever lock you are able to find may not fit exactly perfectly. It is just "The nature of the beast!", but not impossible to work with.

If you would care to search this site you will find copious amounts of information regarding your Lorenz, much of which has been posted by Don Dixon, a true authority on Austrian arms, and especially the Lorenz.
J.
 
Welcome From The Heart Of Dixie. I agree Lodgewood.
 
I'm trying to find a lock for a Lorenz rifle that I will be getting from my inlaws in Greensboro, N.C. Could someone advise me what model/year to help me decide which will fit? Hope I can upload a pic. Any ideas of where I can purchase a complete lock, side plate, and screws would also be appreciated. Thanks
Welcome aboard, @southernguns . Glad to have your company.
 
There is a Lorenz project musket listed with a lock. It say's it needs a main spring.
I have a chance to buy an original early lock on Gun Broker but it is missing the main spring. Mainsprings are available but I need to know if it takes a spring with a pin or without. Do you know how to decipher?
 
I have a chance to buy an original early lock on Gun Broker but it is missing the main spring. Mainsprings are available but I need to know if it takes a spring with a pin or without. Do you know how to decipher?
 

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Thank you, Don. Do you think this lock is correct for the rifle I have pictured? Seems the flat portion beneath the snail is the determining factor. I do not have the rifle in hand so it's a guess for me.
 
This is what working on handmade Civil War muskets is like...the mainspring could fit like a charm or it could fit with some filing or it might not fit at all. The Lorenz often came with numbered parts which gave you some chance. It is strictly hit or miss. If it were me, if you buy the lock I would send the whole lock assy to Lodgewood or whomever, and ask them to find a mainspring that fit that particular lock.

That lock might fit your stock fine or it might not...you can waste quite a bit of time and money experimenting.
 
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Wow! Thank you for the advice. Now I'm really at a crossroad. What a pain in the butt. I'm fixing to attend the Richmond Civil War show, I believe this weekend. Do parts like this show up at these exhibitions? Might be cheaper in the long run since online I'd be out 300 at the very least. I just want the rife to look the part, not necessarily function or shoot.
 
The Muster 1840 Austro-Hungarian Army (k.k. Army) musket was an effort to convert older flintlock weapons to "chemical ignition" using an improved version of Console's tubelock system. It was problematic because the weapons and locks had been made by and were converted by so many different arsenals and contractors. Seeing the unreliability of Muster 1840 locks, Baron von Augustin, the chief of k.k. Army ordnance, decreed that all locks for Muster 1842 muskets would be made at the Vienna Arsenal, even the locks for weapons which were otherwise manufactured by contractors. Standardization is a good thing. The Muster 1854 lock was essentially a product improved version of the Muster 1842 lock. This leads to some comments about your rifle:

Although the Muster 1854 weapons were hand and machine made to standard gauges, the lockplates are all pretty much the same size, since they were forged. An Imperial marked lockplate -- one with the Emperor's double headed eagle and the three digit date code -- should fit your stock fairly well. You might have to trim the wood a little to fit, but you might have to do that on an Enfield or even a Springfield.

The numerical codes on the internal parts of the lock are the identity numbers of the individual lock makers at the Vienna Arsenal. Parts made by lock maker "10" will generally fit in and work in a lock made by that lock maker. Parts made by lock makers "21" or "15" may or may not fit in one of "10's" locks without additional hand fitting. They also tried to balance the tension provided by the main and sear springs to give a reasonaably good trigger pull.

Generally, the mainsprings are not numbered. There may be some small variation in size. The bigger problem is the fit of the mainspring with the other internal parts of the lock. Any Muster 1854 system mainspring with the pin will probably fit the lock you are talking about purchasing, but it is best to take a lock and go through several mainsprings to get the best fit. That's what the lock makers did when they assembled the locks.

$300+ is much too high for one of these locks, particularly the one shown in your photos. One can get a sporterized Muster 1854 for that. See what's available at the Richmond show. Take the stock with you and look for a drop-in lock.

Regards,
Don Dixon
 
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