Lorenz ramrod?

[FiremarshalBill]

Can anyone post a link or a picture of the correct ramrod that would have been issued with the Model 1854 Austrian Lorenz rifle-musket? Particularly the cupped end that would have been inserted into the bore to ram a round down the barrel. Also, what is the correct length of this ramrod and were .54 and .58 caliber Lorenz ramrods the same? I don't think mine is correct and would like to find an original. Thanks.

 

[johan_steele]

They are the same ramrod for either .54 or .58 but were replaced as needed. I've seen both Springfield & Enfield ramrods as replacements. As to length... I believe Lodgewood had an original Lorenz ramrod in their online selection.

 

[Don Dixon]

The ramrod for the Muster 1854 System Lorenz rifle is 37 inches long. The head of the ramrod has a brass sleeve around it to reduce bore wear. The head is cupped for a conical bullet with a threaded hole drilled in the base of the cup. There is another unthreaded hole drilled crosswise through the head below the brass sleeve for the pulling pin of the soldier's combination tool. As stated, weapons bored out to .58 caliber used the same ramrod as the Austro-Hungarian Army standard .547 rifles.

Regards,
Don Dixon

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[FiremarshalBill]

Looking for a well used one for my "wall hanger" Lorenz.

 

[Jobe Holiday]

Mr. Dixon - I give up, what is the threaded hole in the ram rod cup to be used for?
J.

 

[johan_steele]

Mr. Dixon - I give up, what is the threaded hole in the ram rod cup to be used for?
J.

The Lorenz rod was as much a cleaning rod as a ram rod. The various threaded holes and such allowed various attachments to be used. Good lord that makes no sense... time for sleep and alcohol I think.

 

[originalrebelyell]

Looking for a well used one for my "wall hanger" Lorenz.

Lest see some photos of your wall hanger Lorenz.

 

[Camp Randall Armory]

Mr. Dixon - I give up, what is the threaded hole in the ram rod cup to be used for?
J.

The Austrian worm had a male end that would work for it

 

[FiremarshalBill]

Lest see some photos of your wall hanger Lorenz.

Not very good photos but here it is...

 

[Story]

Looks to be in better shape than a "wall hanger"

 

[Jobe Holiday]

Camp Randall - I don't think so, because the threaded hole in the head of the ram rod is much smaller in diameter, and with much finer threads, than the cleaning tools provided in the oil cloth packet with the Lorenz.
J.

 

[originalrebelyell]

Great looking rifle, looks great it looks well used. very nice sword also.

 

[johan_steele]

Camp Randall - I don't think so, because the threaded hole in the head of the ram rod is much smaller in diameter, and with much finer threads, than the cleaning tools provided in the oil cloth packet with the Lorenz.
J.

There is a purpose for that threaded hole & it has something to do with the musket tool specifically but I'll be cussed if I can remember or find my notes on the subject. Part of the problem is there were at least five different musket tools for the Lorenz and they weren't the same. I've seen several ramrods sans that particular threaded hole and wonder why some had it and others didn't.

 

[Don Dixon]

The left most of Mr. Steele's tools is the standard Austro-Hungarian Army combination tool for the Muster 1854 System Lorenz Type I and II rifles. The pointed arm of the tool is the pulling pin that goes into the unthreaded hole in the head of the ramrod.

The small end of the ramrod was threaded with large threads for the bullet puller, wiper, and worm.

The fine threaded hole in the head of the ramrod was, I'm told, used for the brush. But, I've never seen one of the brushes used with the system. A natural fiber brush would be a pretty perishable part of the cleaning system.

Regards,
Don Dixon

 

[Jobe Holiday]

Thank you, Mr. Dixon! Now I have something else to look for......
J.

 

[FiremarshalBill]

Any help locating a ramrod for my Lorenz?

 

[johan_steele]

Any help locating a ramrod for my Lorenz?

I believe Lodgewood still has an original Lorenz ramrod in stock.

 

[FiremarshalBill]

I've found Lodgewood does have reproduction ramrods for my Lorenz (thanks Johan) but I was wondering how would someone defarb a ramrod? Short of having it buried in the back yard for a few years, how can a ramrod be made to look as old as the original rifle?

 

[Jobe Holiday]

I knew an individual years ago who would "age" reproduction ram rods by sticking them in the Privit Hedges around his house for a few months!
J.

 

[johan_steele]

I've found Lodgewood does have reproduction ramrods for my Lorenz (thanks Johan) but I was wondering how would someone defarb a ramrod? Short of having it buried in the back yard for a few years, how can a ramrod be made to look as old as the original rifle?

Gunderson Militaria has an original Lorenz ramrod.