1858 Percussion Conversion

[CapGunner]

Ok, so I have a 1858 Conversion to percussion . . . Maynard Tape. I'm hoping that I can get some help confirming my understandings. From what I've read, it was converted from either a 1822 or 1835 0.69 cal. smooth bore flintlock musket. I believe that it was 1835 musket as it's been rifled and from what I understand the 1822's barrels weren't suitable . . . too thin to rifle. Additionally, there's discussion regarding the style of ramrod. Some have been identified an "1822 style" and apparently they didn't necessarily have to match the donor firearm. How do I identify the type of ramrod?

BTW, does anyone have a source on original Maynard tape or minimally the tins it came in?

Thanks in advance . . .

 

[JackADriscoll]

Please pictures

 

[Grayrock Volunteer]

It will be an altered M1822/28. The correct ramrod will be a button head rather than the trumpet head rod found on M1840 and M1842 muskets. It may or may not be cupped for conical ammunition. That is determined by whether or not it is rifled or rifled and sighted.

 

[captaindrew]

I have a M22 conversion that was also rifled and given a cupped rammer but no rear sight was added.

 

[JOHN42768]

Welcome, enjoy

 

[Conquerordie]

Is this one of the Remington Maynard conversions done by Frankford Arsenal, and yours is dated 1858? I believe Graylock is correct it's probably a converted M1816/22 musket using a button head rammer. Pics always help. Just Google Civil War Dealers and start looking through inventory. I've seen Maynard tape for sale somewhat frequently.

 

[JOHN42768]

Maynard Tapes #001783 https://www.hayesotoupalik.com/U.S. Civil War.htmtem ID
Maynard Tin #082824-5 https://jjmilitary.com/product/civil-war-maynard-tape-cap-tin/

 

[scooter748driver]

Welcome from the Fort Sumter and the Fredericksburg forums.

Yes, pictures please.

 

[Story]

Maynard Tapes #001783 https://www.hayesotoupalik.com/U.S. Civil War.htmtem ID

All things considered, what Hayes is asking for each roll seems reasonable.

 

[CapGunner]

Please pictures

Thanks!

 

[CapGunner]

Maynard Tapes #001783 https://www.hayesotoupalik.com/U.S. Civil War.htmtem ID
Maynard Tin #082824-5 https://jjmilitary.com/product/civil-war-maynard-tape-cap-tin/

Thanks for the lead . . . Hayes is posting it to me as I type this!

 

[JOHN42768]

Thanks for the lead . . . Hayes is posting it to me as I type this!

Did you ask if he had any tins left. I purchased one a few years back from him, but did not see them on his site?

 

[CapGunner]

Did you ask if he had any tins left. I purchased one a few years back from him, but did not see them on his site?

Actually, I didn't. I've made a note to check his site out further.

 

[CapGunner]

It will be an altered M1822/28. The correct ramrod will be a button head rather than the trumpet head rod found on M1840 and M1842 muskets. It may or may not be cupped for conical ammunition. That is determined by whether or not it is rifled or rifled and sighted.

Yes, it's cupped, riffled & sighted.

 

[CapGunner]

Is this one of the Remington Maynard conversions done by Frankford Arsenal, and yours is dated 1858? I believe Graylock is correct it's probably a converted M1816/22 musket using a button head rammer. Pics always help. Just Google Civil War Dealers and start looking through inventory. I've seen Maynard tape for sale somewhat frequently.

Yes, dated 1858.

 

[CapGunner]

Welcome, enjoy

Thank you so much!

 

[CapGunner]

It will be an altered M1822/28. The correct ramrod will be a button head rather than the trumpet head rod found on M1840 and M1842 muskets. It may or may not be cupped for conical ammunition. That is determined by whether or not it is rifled or rifled and sighted.

Would be interested in your comments on the historical background at attached IMA link . . .

Original U.S. Civil War Remington-Maynard Tape Primer Percussion Converted M1835 Rifled Musket - dated 1857

Original item: One Only. The U.S. Model 1835 Musket was a .69 caliber smoothbore flintlock, with a 42-inch barrel and an overall length of 58 inches. It replaced the previous model 1822 musket, and often is viewed as a further development of that design. It was really only an incremental change...

www.ima-usa.com

 

[Grayrock Volunteer]

Would be interested in your comments on the historical background at attached IMA link . . .

Original U.S. Civil War Remington-Maynard Tape Primer Percussion Converted M1835 Rifled Musket - dated 1857

Original item: One Only. The U.S. Model 1835 Musket was a .69 caliber smoothbore flintlock, with a 42-inch barrel and an overall length of 58 inches. It replaced the previous model 1822 musket, and often is viewed as a further development of that design. It was really only an incremental change...

www.ima-usa.com

It's not a Model 1835. You'll probably never see a Model 1835 in the wild because only a few model guns were ever made. They didn't enter production. Lots of folks will label a Model 1840 as a Model 1835 or Model 1835/40, but the correct label is Model 1840. New model guns were made and distributed to Nippes and Pomeroy and were used at Springfield to guide production. It is therefore an entirely new model.
Reading through the IMA description it seems they have replaced the Model 1828 with the Model 1835 in their timeline of muskets. The Model 1828 was a production gun, and is what this gun appears to be. It also looks to be a Springfield made gun based on the remnants on the original barrel proofs. The rear sight on the IMA musket is an incorrect replacement and is installed in the wrong spot on the barrel.

 

[CapGunner]

It's not a Model 1835. You'll probably never see a Model 1835 in the wild because only a few model guns were ever made. They didn't enter production. Lots of folks will label a Model 1840 as a Model 1835 or Model 1835/40, but the correct label is Model 1840. New model guns were made and distributed to Nippes and Pomeroy and were used at Springfield to guide production. It is therefore an entirely new model.
Reading through the IMA description it seems they have replaced the Model 1828 with the Model 1835 in their timeline of muskets. The Model 1828 was a production gun, and is what this gun appears to be. It also looks to be a Springfield made gun based on the remnants on the original barrel proofs. The rear sight on the IMA musket is an incorrect replacement and is installed in the wrong spot on the barrel.

Thanks! I'm trying to document my gun (1858 conversion) and will send you a copy . . .

 

[Terry13]

Ok, so I have a 1858 Conversion to percussion . . . Maynard Tape. I'm hoping that I can get some help confirming my understandings. From what I've read, it was converted from either a 1822 or 1835 0.69 cal. smooth bore flintlock musket. I believe that it was 1835 musket as it's been rifled and from what I understand the 1822's barrels weren't suitable . . . too thin to rifle. Additionally, there's discussion regarding the style of ramrod. Some have been identified an "1822 style" and apparently they didn't necessarily have to match the donor firearm. How do I identify the type of ramrod?

BTW, does anyone have a source on original Maynard tape or minimally the tins it came in?

Thanks in advance . . .

I was able to buy an maynard tape primer on ebay by it wasn't cheap