Monuments James Robertson speaks

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I yield to no one in my admiration of, respect for, and yes, love for Professor Robertson. But his status does not make him immune to criticism by others. While I disagree with some of what Kevin says, I also agree with some of his criticisms.

I trust those who believe Kevin Levin isn't in a position to criticize what Professor Robertson said because he hasn't reached Professor Robertson's status as a historian will in the future never criticize another historian, including Kevin Levin, unless they've reached a comparative status. Kevin has a Master's Degree in History and is about to publish his third book, with a fourth book in the works. He's also published several articles in historical journals. So anyone of those folks claiming he has no status to criticize Professor Robertson then will refrain from criticizing Kevin until they get at least a Master's Degree in History and have published at least two books as well as articles in historical journals.

Thank you for posting.

I believe I have earned a B.S. in CivilWarTalk, as have you.

However, I do not believe a modern blogger with a modern agenda rises to the level of Bud Robertson, though I appreciate your respect for the latter.

There are times to talk and times to shut up and go away. This is one of those times.
 
I listened and I thought he said some relevant things, but I do not agree with everything he said. He is willing to compromise, and many are not. It is not the answer to everything, but it is a starting place for a sane discussion, of the issues. This is just my opinion Dr. Robertson is someone who has seen much change in his time, my father is similar, and his ideas of raising us kids changed and his views on our lives over time, and he was raised by parents who were total Victorians. His father was born in the 1860's and his mother in the late 1880's.
I tend to agree. Lots of changes have happened. I am overwhelmed in the changes in my 67 years.

I claim no status greater than grumpy old man lay historian.
 
Mr. Roberinson, he is wrong...about Lee a noble... He was right about Lee on one thing. Lee was about reconciliation after the war... so statues of Lee should be ones of him in civilian clothes, not an enemy uniform. Lee statues should come down because Lee would never in his living years allowed a statue of himself... but if we must have Lee statues then it should be ones of him in civil clothes and about his efforts on reconciliation, not war...

These Plaques are like a cure except for no one ever ask the question: What going to be written on these plaques?

What about Black heritage? Edited Why do we force Black Americans to walk under Confederate statues... that is the death nail of Confederate Statues...

Mr. Robinson never addresses any of these issues... he only wants to keep them up...
 
Mr. Roberinson, he is wrong...about Lee a noble... He was right about Lee on one thing. Lee was about reconciliation after the war... so statues of Lee should be ones of him in civilian clothes, not an enemy uniform. Lee statues should come down because Lee would never in his living years allowed a statue of himself... but if we must have Lee statues then it should be ones of him in civil clothes and about his efforts on reconciliation, not war...

These Plaques are like a cure except for no one ever ask the question: What going to be written on these plaques?

What about Black heritage? Edited. Why do we force Black Americans to walk under Confederate statues... that is the death nail of Confederate Statues...

Mr. Robinson never addresses any of these issues... he only wants to keep them up...
IMHO

As a resident Curmudgeon, here is my viewpoint. My youth, manhood, the society I existed in, everything I learned, all I knew about my profession is gone, obsolete or useless today. My body betrays me on a daily basis. Even the University I attended tells me the BS degree they gave me is worthless, to get an advanced degree I have to start over. Maybe they let me skip the Literature classes.

To a great extent and possibly more, the world Mr. Roberinson lived in is gone. Levin was wrong, it was not a rant, but an old man's lament. I've heard them all my life and I avoid the local Senior Citizens Center so I don't hear them. Life was wonderful until all those whippersnappers mucked it up.

Like a visiting preacher at a Southern conservative Church, he starts off by saying I will make people mad because I will talk of the old-time religion that modernity replaced. Things were polite in the good old days. I have always lived in Birmingham Al. I hear folks tell how wonderful Birmingham was in the old days and so polite. Yet I have friends who were tumbled by Bull Conners firehoses or bitten by his police dogs in the 60s, hardly a week went in the 60s without a church burning, bombing or cross burning. It was great for white folks although I still carry health issues from the factory 2 blocks away from where I grew up. Yes, things were polite for white folks, not so much for the others. To me, Snowflakes is code for folks disagree with him. New term for whippersnappers. Looking at the video, the age skewed old white. I can see where poor old Levin is coming from

When I look at the video through a Curmudgeon's eyes I see someone passing the torch to the whippersnappers, a familiar sight in history.
 
I watched it from start to finish. I certainly don't agree with him when he says that it was right to remove the flag in South Carolina, that it would be acceptable to remove the Davis monument in Richmond or his idea that the Lee statue on Monument Ave. would be better if it could be altered to depict Lee in civilian dress. With that said, even though I don't agree with every single word of his address, I really do love listening to Bud Robertson talk.

The biggest problem I have is Robertson's insistence on compromise. He spends so much time expressing his opinion that this effort to remove monuments is lunacy, and I agree wholeheartedly with that thought, and so it is that I can't imagine why he thinks that we should compromise with such lunacy.

What needs to be done is what should have been done at the start: dismiss these calls for monument removal as lunacy from the outset and ignore them. Those bent on removing monuments do not see compromise as a solution; they see it as a stepping stone from which they can launch a new attack upon the whatever object of their collective ire.

None of these monuments require any change... not destruction, removal, alteration or additional signage. Just let them stand.

As for the response made by the failed high-school "history" teacher turned blogger/author, it's like a fly buzzing in response to the roar of a lion at best.

I wonder if he thinks it would be right to remove the Lincoln and son monument at the Visitor Center at the former Tredegar Iron Works in Richmond?
 
All the military Confederate statues either need to be taken down, or moved to a museum, or to a cemetery, or to a battlefield, it is the right thing to do.

If you want a statue of your Confederate hero it should be in civil clothes and what they for their state to heal after the war...

We should not force or allow black America to walk by or see these military Confederate statue in public spaces...

I want to point out black Americans were loyal to our Constitution in slavery, during the civil war, during Jim Crow, and gave blood in our nation's wars...

We owe black America more then we owe my disloyal Southern forefathers...
 
I watched it from start to finish. I certainly don't agree with him when he says that it was right to remove the flag in South Carolina, that it would be acceptable to remove the Davis monument in Richmond or his idea that the Lee statue on Monument Ave. would be better if it could be altered to depict Lee in civilian dress. With that said, even though I don't agree with every single word of his address, I really do love listening to Bud Robertson talk.

The biggest problem I have is Robertson's insistence on compromise. He spends so much time expressing his opinion that this effort to remove monuments is lunacy, and I agree wholeheartedly with that thought, and so it is that I can't imagine why he thinks that we should compromise with such lunacy.

What needs to be done is what should have been done at the start: dismiss these calls for monument removal as lunacy from the outset and ignore them. Those bent on removing monuments do not see compromise as a solution; they see it as a stepping stone from which they can launch a new attack upon the whatever object of their collective ire.

None of these monuments require any change... not destruction, removal, alteration or additional signage. Just let them stand.

As for the response made by the failed high-school "history" teacher turned blogger/author, it's like a fly buzzing in response to the roar of a lion at best.

Levin is not a failed high school history teacher. He is a high school history teacher who holds seminars for teachers from around the country to discuss how to teach about the confederate flag and memorial controversies. He's been a blogger for over a decade, has already published two books with a third being published and a fourth in the works. He's participated in a number of Civil War conferences and taught a college-level research seminar at the American Antiquarian Society. He's written articles for The Atlantic and The Daily Beast. He's published articles in Civil War Times as well as other Civil War magazines and journals. While I have some problems with his criticisms, the claim he is a "failed high school history teacher turned blogger/author" is simply an ad hominem made out of ignorance of what he has done.
 
Levin is not a failed high school history teacher. He is a high school history teacher who holds seminars for teachers from around the country to discuss how to teach about the confederate flag and memorial controversies. He's been a blogger for over a decade, has already published two books with a third being published and a fourth in the works. He's participated in a number of Civil War conferences and taught a college-level research seminar at the American Antiquarian Society. He's written articles for The Atlantic and The Daily Beast. He's published articles in Civil War Times as well as other Civil War magazines and journals. While I have some problems with his criticisms, the claim he is a "failed high school history teacher turned blogger/author" is simply an ad hominem made out of ignorance of what he has done.

How we address our adversaries says as much or more about who we are, than it does about the person with whom we disagree with.
 
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