Monuments James Robertson speaks

[Bee]

Could you clarify or add additional explanations/examples to these posts?

...... Perferably in a new thread, pleasee.

It changes the topic from the content of the speech, to a particular poster's point of view on "Monuments"

 

[AshleyMel]

...... Perferably in a new thread, pleasee.

It changes the topic from the content of the speech, to a particular poster's point of view on "Monuments"

Thanks sweet Bee!
Yes, if the poster chooses to do so. Edit, I hope he will.
I do not want to contribute to any knowingly thread derailment at the least if I can help it!

 

[unionblue]

How we address our adversaries says as much or more about who we are, than it does about the person with whom we disagree with.

Indeed.

 

[WJC]

Remembrance and monuments.

The thread has gone five pages discussing Mr. Robertson's lecture, "History of Confederate Monuments". Are you now suggesting a revised or new topic?
Perhaps in the future, when we initiate a new thread, we should provide some direction concerning the focus of discussion rather than simply posting a URL, as we too often do.

 

[dlofting]

After five plus pages of very respectful posts on what Dr. Robertson said, no one totally agreeing and no one totally disagreeing, we have this.

What Dr. Robertson was saying in my opinion is that we need to compromise. Edited.

 

[jgoodguy]

The thread has gone five pages discussing Mr. Robertson's lecture, "History of Confederate Monuments". Are you now suggesting a revised or new topic?
Perhaps in the future, when we initiate a new thread, we should provide some direction concerning the focus of discussion rather than simply posting a URL, as we too often do.

A very good idea IMHO. A debatable proposition up front would be excellent, an opinion or observation also good. FWIW I made a clip and transcript of the clip which I was interested in. That is not hard.

 

[jgoodguy]

After five plus pages of very respectful posts on what Dr. Robertson said, no one totally agreeing and no one totally disagreeing, we have this.

What Dr. Robertson was saying in my opinion is that we need to compromise.

I agree, but I wonder if he wants the compromise his way.

Which is the problem, everyone wants it their way.

 

[WJC]

***Posted as Moderator***
This thread has become focused not on Dr. Robertson's thoughtful presentation but on rehashing the divisive Confederate Monuments Controversy. Any posts which do not specifically comment on Robertson's remarks will be edited or deleted.

 

[cash]

This is my response to Dr. Robertson's presentation.

https://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/2018/08/03/an-impassioned-defense-of-confederate-monuments/

 

[Bee]

This is my response to Dr. Robertson's presentation.

https://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/2018/08/03/an-impassioned-defense-of-confederate-monuments/

You have done Dr. Bud proud. He did not expect everyone to agree with everything, however, there is a manner in which a dignified, respectful objection can be expressed, when called for. I believe that you have demonstrated this with kindness, compassion, and respect.

 

[Ole Miss]

I watched and enjoyed the presentation by Dr. Robertson whom I respect greatly. Having read, General A.P. Hill, Stonewall Jackson: The Man, The Soldier, The Legend and Soldiers Blue and Gray, I believe he has cachet to speak about the History of Confederate Monuments and have his opinions and thoughts respectively judged and graded.

Alas, Mr. Levin's comment that Robertson should "At some point you need to know when to bow out gracefully." is just a continuation of disrespectful manner of discussing any issue that is contentious. Yelling, screaming, rioting and/or destroying Confederate monuments or attempting to drown out anyone speaking from a counter position, sadly is what happens now. Discussion seems to be a lost art and tolerance is in very short supply.

If we as a society do not positively address the issue of the fates of Confederate monuments, including views from both sides, we will not heal and move on. We are a country of immigrants; the dregs of Europe; slaves from Africa; religious groups seeking freedom to worship; people seeking freedom from Asia: as well as indigenous people all making up the fabric of this nation. E pluribus unum.
Regards
David

 

[5fish]

To a great extent and possibly more, the world Mr. Roberinson lived in is gone. Levin was wrong, it was not a rant, but an old man's lament. I've heard them all my life and I avoid the local Senior Citizens Center so I don't hear them. Life was wonderful until all those whippersnappers mucked it up.

I watch the Shenandoah Battlefields Foundation on cspan... I heard their monument policy at the end of the shows and they just do not get it: I found this article : ,

The SVBF policy also "supports state laws that would forbid local governments from removing or damaging monuments, and prefers that historic monuments remain located where they were originally placed. However, if Civil War monuments that have relevance to the Valley are removed from their original locations, the SVBF is open to assisting with appropriate relocation of such monuments to the National Historic District."

Locals put up the monuments the Locals can take them down. The state does have a need to be involved in a local monuments issues.

As the policy notes, "Our history sometimes involves terrible judgment and shocking inhumanity to our fellow humans, but we should not hide that history. We should, instead, learn from our flaws, recognize our progress, and acknowledge that still more progress must come."

It's up to the locals to make that decision

http://www.shenandoahatwar.org/shen...ssues-major-statement-on-civil-war-monuments/

 

[jgoodguy]

I watch the Shenandoah Battlefields Foundation on cspan... I heard their monument policy at the end of the shows and they just do not get it: I found this article : ,

The SVBF policy also "supports state laws that would forbid local governments from removing or damaging monuments, and prefers that historic monuments remain located where they were originally placed. However, if Civil War monuments that have relevance to the Valley are removed from their original locations, the SVBF is open to assisting with appropriate relocation of such monuments to the National Historic District."

Locals put up the monuments the Locals can take them down. The state does have a need to be involved in a local monuments issues.

As the policy notes, "Our history sometimes involves terrible judgment and shocking inhumanity to our fellow humans, but we should not hide that history. We should, instead, learn from our flaws, recognize our progress, and acknowledge that still more progress must come."

It's up to the locals to make that decision

http://www.shenandoahatwar.org/shen...ssues-major-statement-on-civil-war-monuments/

IMHO local politics put them up and will take them down. How much historians and academics affect that is debatable.

 

[Lewis214]

Late to conversation, Just saw it tonight. I really enjoyed his speech. I think his initial statement where he could lose friendships b/c of his speech, is sad. Additonally the statement he made at 1 hr 10 mins in response to a question was very true. Politics proceeds principles. In my neck of woods, local citizens raised money to put monuments up, and politics took them down. Then just today there came new that a time capsule was found beneath Beauregard pedastal that was just removed. Nothing I can do about it, and everything happens for a reason, however I dont agree with the political tactics/grandstanding used to bring them down. Sadder still is I finally made a trip to visit Camp Moore today. I really was enjoying the museum and trying to soak in all the exhibits, but the back of my mind kept wandering to the thought that this will be gone one day because it's on wrong side of history.

 

[JerseyBart]

If there was only this much interest and participation in my Monday night video discussions.

 

[bdtex]

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