I hate to ask this question without posting photos.

[drm2m]

My Photobucket is not working.

The question involves the 'approximate value range' for a percussion Starr carbine.

The serial number 10501--supposedly manufactured in 1864.

The owner sent me many photos.
He is not a dealer-- he is a Canadian collector.
He is interested in my WWI Artillery Luger with drum magazine and loader.
I want $10,000 Cdn for my rig and deduct a certain amount fro the Starr carbine.
The question is how much do I deduct.

This is his description of the carbine

Overall it has a nice aging to it, nobody's messed with it. Bore is very good, still shines with strong rifling and the usual very light pitting.

Inspectors cartouche is faint but you can see where it was, traces of bluing still show on parts, with a nice carried natural honest finish. Case colouring still visible at edges and under the action.

All numbers are matching, breech block, barrel and receiver.

Overall very attractive and un-messed with.

I asked him about the action---his response.

The action is crisp and well defined, trigger works with zero issues. The inside of the lock still shows the case colouring and deep fire blued screws, and almost no wear on the half and full cock notches.

Compared to the other Starr carbines I've handled I see no issues. Distinct first click, once it passes the first click you can feel it ride over the safety notch, then positive third click.

Very much shootable if you ever wanted to.

 

[Jeff in Ohio]

wood condition?
wood to metal fit?

 

[UCVRelics]

Impossible to even give a good range without photos.

 

[JOHN42768]

You can look at some of the dealer sights to give you a est. range what Starr's run. Not going to give you a firm number but an idea.

 

[drm2m]

I am sorry I have been having a terrible time linking photos from Photobucket onto a forum.
This is quite recent----and there is nobody home at Photobucket.
I am very frustrated. I have used Photobucket for MANY years.

 

[Mrs. V]

I am sorry I have been having a terrible time linking photos from Photobucket onto a forum.
This is quite recent----and there is nobody home at Photobucket.
I am very frustrated. I have used Photobucket for MANY years.

Can you download to your email and then link to here Or copy to your own photos?

 

[Booner]

How far does this guy live from you? $10,000 is a good chunk of money, maybe you can meet each other somewhere of equal driving distance. And then there's always the question only you can answer: what's it worth to you?

 

[drm2m]

I am not sure if I want to part with my Artillery rig at this time.
I have 27 very decent photos of the Starr carbine in a photo file on my computer.
If there was a way to upload them on to this forum---I would be delighted --without bothering with Photobucket.

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I have tried to upgrade my account---that does not even work.
The additional cost is not an issue for me---I just want something that works.
All of my photos on Photobucket I have in photo files on my computer.
I only need Photobucket for posting my photos on forums.

I can upload my photos to Photobucket---that is not a problem.
I CAN NOT GET A LINK CODE TO POST THE PHOTOS ON A FORUM.
This is a recent problem----I usually post too many photos in my threads on forums.
I really only post on two forums ---this one and a forum in Canada.

I have been using Photobucket since August 1 2008.

 

[rob63]

If there was a way to upload them on to this forum---I would be delighted --without bothering with Photobucket.

Go to the bottom of the thread, where you can post a reply, and there is a button that says "Attach files." Click on it. Attach files. Done. There is also a button for attaching images above the area where you write your reply, either will work. You don't need a separate photo hosting site.

 

[drm2m]

Thanks rob63.
Here goes.

 

[drm2m]

I went on Guns International.com and found 11 Starr carbines for sale.
Seven from Ancestryguns--three from Collectors Firearms Inc and one other.
The asking prices in the order that they appear. "A" for Ancestryguns---"C" for Collectors Firearms Inc.
$1,695 A
$1,595 C
$2,395 A
$2,000 A
$1,795 A
$1,995 A
$3,500 ---A 1865 rimfire version. A
$3,125 A
$1,799.99 Johnsonsguns
$1,995 C
$1,895 C

I don't know where the carbine shown above fits into this range of prices?

This is the link.
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/revolvers/starr-arms.c1421_p1_o6.cfm

 

[sourdough]

I am sorry I have been having a terrible time linking photos from Photobucket onto a forum.
This is quite recent----and there is nobody home at Photobucket.
I am very frustrated. I have used Photobucket for MANY years.

I used PB as a 3rd party hosting site for a few years, but when they decided to be extortionist with the photos stored or not on their site, I quit cold turkey. I never allowed any photos I had stored on my HDD to be stored on their site. Since then any of the photos I have posted via PB always look like this, and are usually purposely blurred:

For the past few years I have used another site for 3rd party hosting to allow my photos to be posted on forums and it is free of charge:

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imgbb.com

It is simple to follow the directions to register, and when you get set up and want to post a photo, make sure the "BBCode full linked" option is turned on, as that will allow you to post with a URL linking to their site. For 3rd party posting you are not required to add pictures to their library.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Jim

 

[drm2m]

If I make the deal for the Starr carbine it will have some familiar company.

 

[rob63]

If I make the deal for the Starr carbine it will have some familiar company.

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FWIW, here are some examples of recent auction results. One can certainly argue about the whether the results of a particular auction are an accurate reflection of current prices or not, but at least they are examples of guns that actually sold. You would need to calculate what the extra fees would have added.

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/1034/306/civil-war-era-us-starr-cartridge-carbine

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/1034/2301/civil-war-starr-arms-co-breechloading-percussion-carbine

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/1034/4326/civil-war-starr-arms-co-breech-loading-percussion-carbine

I think the one you posted is about average condition. It seems to be complete, no excessive pitting or marring, but shows a fair amount of use and wear. I claim no expertise on current prices and pricing is oh so subjective, but considering the examples you posted above along with these auctions listed here, I would consider it in the $1,500-1,700 range. I tried looking at other recent auction results to get a better idea, but I couldn't find anything.

 

[Lanyard Puller]

I'd give your Starr a "Flayderman Antique Grade" of very good condition and at the high end of @rob63 post.,

 

[MRB1863]

Hmmm...I am going to have to post photos of my Starr sword. I was not aware they made such a variety of arms.

 

[drm2m]

I am attributing $1,500 Cdn to the value of the Starr carbine and I want $8,500 cash Cdn for the Artillery Luger with accessories.
Thanks Lanyard Puller and rob63 for your input.

 

[drm2m]

-From Flayderman.

-From one of McAulay's books.

 

[drm2m]

It is starting to look this deal might happen!
I have thrown in a WWI German Iron Cross---I don't remember where or when I got it,
as well as two Imperial marked Luger tools.
Two holsters are also part of the deal---the original 1915 holster with a bullet hole in it-- PLUS a very decent 1916 dated holster.