What is this? Help identify more bullets.

[kcox418]

Dug these in a Union camp in Calhoun, Ga. Believe it was the 20th Corps.

 

[Booner]

I pretty sure the .54 caliber bullet is a modern muzzle loading bullet, made by Hornaday, called a REAL bullet (rifling engaged at loading), or maybe their Great Plains bullet. 20 years ago, their muzzle loading bullets were made of lead, and some were hollow point. Now, with the advent of in line muzzle loaders, they're shooting sub caliber copper cased bullets in sabots.

The others I believe are CW related, .51 caliber so I would believe they were dropped. Someone more knowledgeable than me will be along to tell you what they are.

 

[Miker91]

The other two look like Smith carbines.

 

[UCVRelics]

The first one is a modern bullet as @Booner stated and the other 2 you found are 50 cal Smith carbine bullets. Below is what they look like in original condition.

 

[JOHN42768]

In complete agreement with above.

 

[kcox418]

I pretty sure the .54 caliber bullet is a modern muzzle loading bullet, made by Hornaday, called a REAL bullet (rifling engaged at loading), or maybe their Great Plains bullet. 20 years ago, their muzzle loading were made of lead, and some were hollow point. Now, with the advent of in line muzzle loaders, they're shooting sub caliber copper cased bullets in sabots.

The others I believe are CW related, .51 caliber so I would believe they were dropped. Someone more knowledgeable than we will be along to tell you what they are.

Awesome thank u!

 

[kcox418]

The first one is a modern bullet as @Booner stated and the other 2 you found are 50 cal Smith carbine bullets. Below is what they look like in original condition.
View attachment 367676

Thank u for taking the time and knowledge.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Those Smith carbines are good finds. Congratulations! They don't turn up too often.

 

[kcox418]

Those Smith carbines are good finds. Congratulations! They don't turn up too often.

Thanks! Buddy I hunt with , said he's been detecting for 10 years and has never saw one!

 

[Booner]

It should think that It would be pretty easy to find what Union unit these bullets may have come from. It would be Union cavalry that operated in your area, and with some research, you might be able to come up with the the unit that carried Smith's

from Wikipedia, a partial list of Union Cav. that used Smiths.'

• 1st Connecticut Cavalry Regiment
• 7th Illinois Cavalry Regiment
• 11th Illinois Cavalry Regiment
• 1st Massachusetts Cavalry Regiment
• 10th New York Cavalry Regiment[5]
• 6th Ohio Cavalry Regiment
• 9th Ohio Cavalry Regiment
• 7th Pennsylvania Cavalry Regiment
• 17th Pennsylvania Cavalry Regiment
• 3rd West Virginia Cavalry Regiment
• 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment (Union)

 

[kcox418]

It should think that It would be pretty easy to find what Union unit these bullets may have come from. It would be Union cavalry that operated in your area, and with some research, you might be able to come up with the the unit that carried Smith's

from Wikipedia, a partial list of Union Cav. that used Smiths.'

• 1st Connecticut Cavalry Regiment
• 7th Illinois Cavalry Regiment
• 11th Illinois Cavalry Regiment
• 1st Massachusetts Cavalry Regiment
• 10th New York Cavalry Regiment[5]
• 6th Ohio Cavalry Regiment
• 9th Ohio Cavalry Regiment
• 7th Pennsylvania Cavalry Regiment
• 17th Pennsylvania Cavalry Regiment
• 3rd West Virginia Cavalry Regiment
• 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment (Union)

It should think that It would be pretty easy to find what Union unit these bullets may have come from. It would be Union cavalry that operated in your area, and with some research, you might be able to come up with the the unit that carried Smith's

from Wikipedia, a partial list of Union Cav. that used Smiths.'

• 1st Connecticut Cavalry Regiment
• 7th Illinois Cavalry Regiment
• 11th Illinois Cavalry Regiment
• 1st Massachusetts Cavalry Regiment
• 10th New York Cavalry Regiment[5]
• 6th Ohio Cavalry Regiment
• 9th Ohio Cavalry Regiment
• 7th Pennsylvania Cavalry Regiment
• 17th Pennsylvania Cavalry Regiment
• 3rd West Virginia Cavalry Regiment
• 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment (Union)

Thanks! I know the camp site has the 20th corps / 3rd division. Just not sure how to determine whom all made that up.

 

[Booner]

Thanks! I know the camp site has the 20th corps / 3rd division. Just not sure how to determine whom all made that up.

What you're looking for is the Union "Order of Battle" for the 20th corps in the Atlanta Campaign.

Here ya go, I've already done your heavy lifting. Scroll down the page and it will list the cavalry attached to the 20th corp. There were three divisions of Cavalry.

You can already discount the 7th Illinois Cavalry, they didn't take part in the Atlanta campaign. They were running around in TN & MS--my gg grandfather was with them. And not all of companies of the 7th had Smith's, they also had Sharps carbines.

Atlanta campaign order of battle: First phase, Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If you are sure that the camp site was of the 20th Corps / 3rd division, then you have 3 possibilities:
the 10th Ohio, the 3rd Ky, and 4 companies of the 3rd Indiana cavalry, but check it for yourself to make sure I didn't miss something.

 

[acwrelics]

The first one is a modern maxi-ball bullet. The other two are .50 Smith style bullets and could be used in either the .50 Smith Paper & Foil Cartridge patented by Poultney or the .50 Gallager Paper and Foil cartridge patented by Poultney. Both styles of cartridges were manufactured by B.C. English in the North East.

 

[kcox418]

What you're looking for is the Union "Order of Battle" for the 20th corps in the Atlanta Campaign.

Here ya go, I've already done your heavy lifting. Scroll down the page and it will list the cavalry attached to the 20th corp. There were three divisions of Cavalry.

You can already discount the 7th Illinois Cavalry, they didn't take part in the Atlanta campaign. They were running around in TN & MS--my gg grandfather was with them. And not all of companies of the 7th had Smith's, they also had Sharps carbines.

Atlanta campaign order of battle: First phase, Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If you are sure that the camp site was of the 20th Corps / 3rd division, then you have 3 possibilities:
the 10th Ohio, the 3rd Ky, and 4 companies of the 3rd Indiana cavalry, but check it for yourself to make sure I didn't miss something.

awesome!!! Definitely will look thru all of it!! I really appreciate it! So cool!

 

[Booner]

awesome!!! Definitely will look thru all of it!! I really appreciate it! So cool!

Now you know how to do it next time.
Ya see, old guys know how to do stuff.

 

[kcox418]

Now you know how to do it next time.
Ya see, old guys know how to do stuff.

Haha I got it now! Thanks for passing it along!

 

[kcox418]

Found these yesterday in the same field .

 

[kcox418]

@Booner