H.K. Edgerton Video challenge thread

[Reb]

I just mentioned H.K. Edgerton above, but I'm curious if you are familiar with him and if you have ever researched any of his links?

I watched a video of H.K. where he is wearing a CBF t-shirt and is confronted in a fast food restaurant. The resulting conversation was quite compelling and it's seemed to leave the people confronting him speechless as they were inundated with uncomfortable facts, that as I mentioned earlier, don't fit the "narrative".

 

[jgoodguy]

I watched a video of H.K. where he is wearing a CBF t-shirt and is confronted in a fast food restaurant. The resulting conversation was quite compelling and it's seemed to leave the people confronting him speechless as they were inundated with uncomfortable facts, that as I mentioned earlier, don't fit the "narrative".

I challenge you to a thread debating the HK's gibberish that he inundates the unsuspecting with leaving them speechless like being accosted by a circus carny selling tickets. Love to discuss those uncomfortable facts.

 

[Reb]

I wish to make it clear that a conversation about HK Edgerton is difficult because his views delve into areas deemed "modern politic". I also wish to make sure everyone realizes they are his views, not mine. The video I referred to included what I called uncomfortable facts.
1. In the Atlantic slave trade, slaves were sold into bondage by local African leaders.
2. Slavery was a part of a world wide economic system. Everybody was part of it. The English, the French, the Spanish, the Dutch, the Portuguese.....
3. The Northern colonies were complicit in the slave trade. Of major note was their involvement in West Indies trade, and sugar plantation slavery.

 

[AndyHall]

@jgoodguy is correct. Edgerton is voluble and energetic, but by the time one can respond to the first thing he's said, he's dropped off three more dubious "uncomfortable facts," such as his assertion that Ulysses Grant brought slaves with him into the White House in 1869 because (Edgerton claims) he said, "good help is hard to find," or that Jim Crow laws were imposed on the South by Yankees on the Supreme Court, over the objections of white southerners. You'll never keep up with his fusillade of fatuous fabulations; it's like trying to use a measuring cup to catch all the water coming out of a firehose.

 

[Reb]

Edgerton is voluble and energetic, but by the time one can respond to the first thing he's said, he's dropped off three more dubious "uncomfortable facts," such as his assertion that Ulysses Grant brought slaves with him into the White House in 1869 because (Edgerton claims) he said, "good help is hard to find," or that Jim Crow laws were imposed on the South by Yankees on the Supreme Court, over the objections of white southerners. You'll never keep up with his fusillade of fatuous fabulations. @jgoodguy is correct.

I'm not here to argue everything HK says is true. He does go over the top.

 

[AshleyMel]

I saw him on Penn & Tellers Bull**** show!

 

[Reb]

Part of the uncomfortable truth about HK Edgerton is because of who he is and what he says. He is a black man who doesn't fit the narrative. He has been called a black neo-confederate. It must be really confusing to some people to see a black man wearing a Confederate t-shirt, or a Confederate uniform. He makes it clear that he believes the CBF symbolizes Southern heritage, and says that he believes the current wave of controversy after the Charleston shooting is because it was seen as an opportunity of timing to use as a wedge to separate the good will between Southerners of different races. He is discounted, with other blacks such as Arlene Barnum, who refuse to accept the current attempt to make the CBF a symbol of hatred.

 

[jgoodguy]

I wish to make it clear that a conversation about HK Edgerton is difficult because his views delve into areas deemed "modern politic". I also wish to make sure everyone realizes they are his views, not mine. The video I referred to included what I called uncomfortable facts.
1. In the Atlantic slave trade, slaves were sold into bondage by local African leaders.
2. Slavery was a part of a world wide economic system. Everybody was part of it. The English, the French, the Spanish, the Dutch, the Portuguese.....
3. The Northern colonies were complicit in the slave trade. Of major note was their involvement in West Indies trade, and sugar plantation slavery.

"modern politic" is not a worry. Just stick to Civil War Facts.

My response to 1-3 is so what? Sounds like what I heard in a Southern high school class in 1967. Likely part of any normal Civil War History class that gets beyond the battles.

 

[jgoodguy]

Part of the uncomfortable truth about HK Edgerton is because of who he is and what he says. He is a black man who doesn't fit the narrative. He has been called a black neo-confederate. It must be really confusing to some people to see a black man wearing a Confederate t-shirt, or a Confederate uniform. He makes it clear that he believes the CBF symbolizes Southern heritage, and says that he believes the current wave of controversy after the Charleston shooting is because it was seen as an opportunity of timing to use as a wedge to separate the good will between Southerners of different races. He is discounted, with other blacks such as Arlene Barnum, who refuse to accept the current attempt to make the CBF a symbol of hatred.

So far just words.

 

[jgoodguy]

I'm not here to argue everything HK says is true. He does go over the top.

You posted "uncomfortable facts, that as I mentioned earlier, don't fit the "narrative"
Are you now saying that a lot of what he does is just a torrent of rhetoric?

 

[AndyHall]

I'm not here to argue everything HK says is true. He does go over the top.

And that's the problem. Having observed Edgerton for years, I'm quite certain that he himself can't distinguish between what is objectively true and what is not. I think he genuinely believes every ridiculous thing that comes out of his own mouth.

 

[jgoodguy]

And that's the problem. Having observed Edgerton for years, I'm quite certain that he himself can't distinguish between what is objectively true and what is not. I think he genuinely believes every ridiculous thing that comes out of his own mouth.

It pays his bills and gets him a lot of attention. In any case a real discussion is not a torrent of works, it is give and take. Someone selling something talks fast and tries to overcome by sheer volume of words. He sounds a lot like an old time Southern Preacher.

If you are Joe Blow minding your own business and this fellow comes up a starts his talk, you simply wish he would go away. So it appears you have been convinced when really you want quiet. I know a fellow like this with an spiel on the CBF. He starts folks eye glaze over, they nod affirmatively and forget it 5 minutes later.

 

[Reb]

"modern politic" is not a worry. Just stick to Civil War Facts.

My response to 1-3 is so what? Sounds like what I heard in a Southern high school class in 1967. Likely part of any normal Civil War History class that gets beyond the battles.

You would have to have seen who was in the video having the conversation with Mr Edgerton. Maybe an uncomfortable truth for them.

 

[Reb]

So far just words.

Sorry, if you were expecting something off the wall to pounce on.

You posted "uncomfortable facts, that as I mentioned earlier, don't fit the "narrative"
Are you now saying that a lot of what he does is just a torrent of rhetoric?

Some is, some isn't.

 

[jgoodguy]

You would have to have seen who was in the video having the conversation with Mr Edgerton. Maybe an uncomfortable truth for them.

I image that the nutrition guidelines for folks in a fast food restaurant is 'an uncomfortable truth'

 

[jgoodguy]

Sorry, if you were expecting something off the wall to pounce on.


Some is, some isn't.

I just see evasions when you were crowing "inundated with uncomfortable facts, that as I mentioned earlier, don't fit the "narrative"."
The"inundation" is less a trickle than a drought.

 

[CMWinkler]

I've met HK. He's quite a talker and is making a good living speaking to the choir. Interesting guy, though.

 

[Reb]

I image that the nutrition guidelines for folks in a fast food restaurant is 'an uncomfortable truth'

Semi-amusing , off topic, with a nuance of sarcasm. I like it.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

You would have to have seen who was in the video having the conversation with Mr Edgerton. Maybe an uncomfortable truth for them.

A link to the video would be helpful for those of us on the outside looking in. How else are we to judge?

 

[Reb]

I just see evasions when you were crowing "inundated with uncomfortable facts, that as I mentioned earlier, don't fit the "narrative"."
The"inundation" is less a trickle than a drought.

You've never seen the video. So, you are going on pure supposition. I am being careful about what I say,as I, like a German brown trout, have an uncanny ability to see the bait and know instinctively that there is a hook in it. I only nibbled on the line a bit to tease you, I took your bait, and left you with the empty hook. You challenged me about HK Edgerton, not because of the video I mentioned, but because you have made up your mind about him already and thought you would have a little fun with me. You said..... Make a thread...... I said no, you go ahead and make it, you were the one who challenged me. You made it and put my name on it. I'm sorry you didn't get the reaction you wanted.