Exploding Lorenz

[mnreb]

Hi,
Just thought I would clear up a couple of things. The Lorenz that exploded at Gettysburg was not purchased from Loyalist Arms. It was purchased from another vendor, a supposed gunsmith by trade. Also, the musket was inspected after company cleaning on the first day and was again inspected during morning drill on the second. It exploded on the second firing of the battle not the first.
Sincerely,
mnreb

 

[Rough Rider]

They shouldn't be allowed to load toy guns with real gunpowder.

 

[mnreb]

The only reason I even bothered to post on here was to clear up a couple of misconceptions that I heard about. Think what one wants about Loyalist Arms, I wanted to make it clear that it was not purchased from them, that the musket in question was indeed clean and that the barrel had not been plugged. I did not post this to start another round of comments one way or the other. However, being a land of free speech, I am sure that many will follow. This time you can have your conversation with the facts, regardless of opinions on Indian made muskets.

 

[Rough Rider]

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[mnreb]

In order to have explained things the way I did up above, so that false information was not being passed around, I must have a pretty good idea as to what happened. One, I was there, two, I handled the musket, so I have no idea what point your are still trying to prove. It was made in your first comment, which I happen to agree with. The musket in question has been seen by a reputable gunsmith and his concerns as to what happened expressed. Those views have been sent to where it was purchased with the musket to follow.

 

[Rough Rider]

A picture is worth a thousand words, although in this case it could have been worth some missing fingers too. If you were to be injured while shooting an India musket who would be held responsible? Since these toys aren't actually proofed, who would you sue? I would have more faith in the metallurgy if they were made by Mattel or Hasbro.

 

[mnreb]

Good question. The maker? The seller? The buyer? Those who allow these imports to come into the country? The people who put on the event, but do not ban them? Who is liable? Would be nice to know in this day and age of suing for every little thing. This is not a little thing, but who is liable. Any lawyers out there? What about about people who might get injured standing next to someone who has one blow up on him?

 

[ole]

It would seem that the serious reenacting community steers clear of muskets that are not made by those who haven't yet established a reputation for reliability. Seems that the vendors who import and sell unproofed muskets bear some responsibility.

 

[Rough Rider]

Good question. The maker? The seller? The buyer? Those who allow these imports to come into the country? The people who put on the event, but do not ban them? Who is liable? Would be nice to know in this day and age of suing for every little thing. This is not a little thing, but who is liable. Any lawyers out there? What about about people who might get injured standing next to someone who has one blow up on him?

The Lorenz is a highly desirable historic piece....too bad Pedersoli doesn't make one. If people are willing to spend five or six hundred dollars on an India pipe bomb they ought to have no problem paying a couple of hundred more for a real gun.

 

[kfranklin]

The Lorenz is a highly desirable historic piece....too bad Pedersoli doesn't make one. If people are willing to spend five or six hundred dollars on an India pipe bomb they ought to have no problem paying a couple of hundred more for a real gun.

I for one would LOVE a Lorenz.

 

[ole]

Is it always someone else's fault? If I buy an unproofed piece of ****, can I reasonably throw it back on the guy who made it or the guy who sold it? I'll suppose I can try, but there is such a thing as caveat emptor, let the buyer beware. The buyer is not without responsibility.

 

[ole]

I for one would LOVE a Lorenz.

Just get one that has been proofed.

 

[ole]

For those who are unfamiliar with "proofing." A gun is fired with a healthy overcharge. If it doesn't burst, it is proofed and marked as such. If one puts a proof mark on a barrel that actually wasn't proofed, there are criminal fraud charges waiting.

You there, yes you, the guy without the left hand, have a basis for a suit and it doesn't matter in which country the barrel was made.

 

[kfranklin]

Just get one that has been proofed.

Well the issue is that I have yet to see a reproduction that looks anything like the original. The indian ones are OK at best, ignoring the possible safety issues.