Chickamauga Chickamauga what ifs . . .

RobertP

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At an antique mall yesterday I bought a copy of the Civil War Times, May 1969, a special feature issue on the battle of Chickamauga. Near the end are a couple of "what ifs", Union victory and Confederate followup of their win. Here's what they said about a victorious Rosecrans:

"In the fall and winter of 1863 he undoubtedly would have been the outstanding Northern general of the war, with a series of impressive victories and no defeats in his record."

"Grant would not have had the opportunity at Chattanooga to break Bragg's investment, to win at Lookout Mountain and Missionary Ridge, and, in turn, to gain promotion to be lieutenant general."

"Rosecrans likely would have been called to command in Virginia, instead of Grant."

"The country might never have experienced the years of the Grant Presidency, nor the easy tolerance of carpet bag rule in the South."

Here's what they said about an aggressive Bragg following up his victory:

"By compelling Rosecrans and Burnside to fall back and defend the Ohio River cities, Bragg would have recovered East and central Tennessee and nullified the efforts of more than two years by Northern armies."

"The North, restive after the draft riots and with ardent advocates urging peace, might well have concluded that the South was too vast a territory to be subjugated."

"Lincoln's task of saving the Union would have been made much more difficult, if not impossible."

"Sherman's campaign into Georgia would have been most unlikely, and amy simuilar campaign would have been long delayed, if ever undertaken"

"Lincoln, whose re-election in 1864 has usually been attributed to Sherman's capture of Atlanta likely would have been defeated."

"Southern hopes, beginning to languish, would have been revived, bringing deserters sown from the mountains and giving general impetus to the Confederate cause."

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At an antique mall yesterday I bought a copy of the Civil War Times, May 1969, a special feature issue on the battle of Chickamauga. Near the end are a couple of "what ifs", Union victory and Confederate followup of their win. Here's what they said about a victorious Rosecrans:

"In the fall and winter of 1863 he undoubtedly would have been the outstanding Northern general of the war, with a series of impressive victories and no defeats in his record."

"Grant would not have had the opportunity at Chattanooga to break Bragg's investment, to win at Lookout Mountain and Missionary Ridge, and, in turn, to gain promotion to be lieutenant general."

"Rosecrans likely would have been called to command in Virginia, instead of Grant."

"The country might never have experienced the years of the Grant Presidency, nor the easy tolerance of carpet bag rule in the South."

Here's what they said about an aggressive Bragg following up his victory:

"By compelling Rosecrans and Burnside to fall back and defend the Ohio River cities, Bragg would have recovered East and central Tennessee and nullified the efforts of more than two years by Northern armies."

"The North, restive after the draft riots and with ardent advocates urging peace, might well have concluded that the South was too vast a territory to be subjugated."

"Lincoln's task of saving the Union would have been made much more difficult, if not impossible."

"Sherman's campaign into Georgia would have been most unlikely, and amy simuilar campaign would have been long delayed, if ever undertaken"

"Lincoln, whose re-election in 1864 has usually been attributed to Sherman's capture of Atlanta likely would have been defeated."

"Southern hopes, beginning to languish, would have been revived, bringing deserters sown from the mountains and giving general impetus to the Confederate cause."

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Agree or Disagree?
I think the first what-if is the least likely. Lincoln was already enamored with Grant after Vicksburg. And, regardless of a Chickamauga victory Rosecrans was by fall 1863 known to be slow and stubborn a la McClellan. I think your second scenario more likely.
 
"Lincoln, whose re-election in 1864 has usually been attributed to Sherman's capture of Atlanta likely would have been defeated

A lot of what I have read about the 1864 election does place a lot of importance on the Atlanta Campaign and Sheridan's ride for boosting the morale in the North. I am not sure that Sheridan's Ride alone could have carried the day. Interesting to ponder.
 
I love that issue if CWT, wish I could find it. If I remember correctly, there is a story in there about a soldier who returned to Chickamauga many years later and found the teeth that had been knocked out during the battle.
 
I don't think Bragg or his army was in any position or condition to compel the Army of the Cumberland (plus Union forces in Knoxville) to fall back to the Ohio. Confederate casualties at Chickamauga were very high and there was a lot of discontent and squabbling amongst the senior officers. The Army of Tennessee was in no condition to do what is suggested.
 
I'm not smart enough to agree or disagree with the OP, but I can read what Abraham Lincoln had to say about the situation in 1864 and it wasn't good:

lincoln-re-election-letter.jpg
 
Rosecrans wins: most likely a marginal victory occurs after Confederate attacks fail, but like a similar victory at Stones River it is not much. Rosecrans builds up a new base of supplies at Chattanooga in preparation for a spring offensive towards Atlanta against Joe Johnston.

Where do Grant and Sherman go? I think Grant still goes east to head the overall armies, but maybe now he brings Sherman to take over from Meade? Sheridan remains a division commander in the west though.

Bragg has a bigger victory by more vigorous pursuit: Rosecrans has to abandon Chattanooga, probably falling back to Murfreesboro and being quickly replaced by Thomas. Bragg moves on Knoxville and Burnside retreats as well. Bragg holds Chattanooga and Knoxville, but is too battered to go on the offensive this late in the year.

Thanks to his big win, Bragg's place is more secure but he still doesn't get along with his subordinates. Polk, Hardee, DH Hill, and a few others are transferred away. Longstreet, not yet infected with anti-Bragg sentiment, flush with western success, and unhappy with how Gettysburg turned out becomes a corps commander and Bragg's second in command. Longstreet's corps is called back east to Lee in the spring where RH Anderson takes over at Longstreet's recommendation.

Sherman and Thomas go on the offensive in 1864, maneuvering and fighting Bragg to Atlanta where a protracted siege ensues. The Atlanta Campaign is longer and bloodier, but Sherman has too many men for Bragg to win despite his efforts to isolate and defeat parts of it. Longstreet comes to hate Bragg and regrets his transfer.

Grant goes East but not Sheridan or Burnside. Without Longstreet, Lee doesn't do as well in the Overland Campaign, but it otherwise goes similarly. When Early causes Valley trouble it is Meade who goes to beat him soundly. 1864 ends with dual sieges of Petersburg and Atlanta, but Meade is hailed as a hero because he helps Lincoln get reelected (albeit by a smaller margin.

The war ends in the summer of 1865, but Sherman never makes Georgia or South Carolina howl.
 

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