Chickamauga Was Chickamauga Really a Squandered Victory?

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Controversy erupted almost immediately after the guns fell silent on September 20th, 1863 and the subsequent inability for the Army of Tennessee to drive the Army of the Cumberland out of Chattanooga and back across the Tennessee River. Once the operations around Chattanooga developed into a quasi-siege, several of Braxton Bragg's subordinates would raise their objections to what they considered to be, in the words of D. H. Hill, a "barren victory." There were chief dissidents beyond Hill—James Longstreet, Simon Buckner, and a plethora of division and brigade commanders would, in addition to Hill, jointly sign a petition on October 4th seeking Bragg's relief as commanding general. It appears that, less than three weeks after a major victory, much of the senior command had grown disenchanted with Bragg, citing the army's inability to decisively act in front of Chattanooga as a primary grievance. Were their objections and complaints valid?

I recently finished Dave Powell's third book in his Chickamauga trilogy and have previously read Peter Cozzens' book on the Chattanooga Campaign, and it seems that the opinion of both historians is that these protests were more based from personal displeasure with Bragg rather than logistical and operational realities. Perhaps these subordinates, especially those from the lower level commands, were ignorant or willing to ignore the army's logistical deficiencies if it meant that Bragg could be removed?

Cozzens and Powell both state that the Army of Tennessee was distinctly lacking in transportation before the massive influx of troops from Mississippi, East Tennessee, and Virginia; while the troops from Mississippi were accompanied by their own wagon trains, Longstreet's veterans from Lee's Army arrived with no transportation beyond those necessary for the artillery battalion of E. Porter Alexander. Bragg's transportation system was already stretched thin before receiving tens of thousands of reinforcements, and it may have been the case that the army was simply incapable of major maneuvering with not enough wagons to go around. Longstreet's primary dispute would be that Bragg did not seek a turning movement to force Rosecrans from Chattanooga, with the Tennessee River being conceivably fordable both above and below Chattanooga. Was Longstreet, recently arrived to both the army and the theater, unaware of the impracticability of such an operation?

In regard to the immediate aftermath of Chickamauga, Powell was fairly favorable toward the intensity of Bragg's pursuit. The Confederate high command, with few exceptions, expected a resumption of battle on September 21st, and Powell highlighted that Forrest and Wheeler either produced meaningless or nonexistent scouting reports throughout the day, respectively. Once Bragg ascertained that Rosecrans' army had concentrated around Rossville in the late afternoon, Bragg started to put the army's main body in motion northward toward Chickamauga Station and the north end of Missionary Ridge, seemingly intent on turning the federals out of the defensible gaps of the ridge. There would be limited action on the 22nd, with only a number of light skirmishes before Bragg realized that the federals were expanding the fortifications of Chattanooga with no apparent intent to immediately retire.

Powell, citing Bragg's dispatches to Wheeler on the 21st and 22nd, argues that Bragg was of the belief that Rosecrans would not fight another general engagement to retain Chattanooga and that Bragg only needed to apply some pressure to compel his retiring across the river. As we all know, the Army of the Cumberland would not withdraw from Chattanooga. Was it Bragg's overconfidence in Rosecrans' being whipped or the lackluster intelligence that compelled him to begin the pursuit late on the 21st, or more likely, a combination of both?

From my reading I've come to the conclusion that the victory of Chickamauga wasn't particularly "squandered," or at least moreso than any other major battles during the war. With the exceptions of Thomas' pursuit of Hood following Nashville and Grant's pursuit of Lee after the fall of Richmond, there are no examples of pursuits being powerful or decisive. The victorious army was often as disorganized as the defeated one, and Powell argues that Chickamauga is no exception to either rule.
The lack of maneuvers after Chickamauga appear to be reasonable as well. Bragg seemingly lacked the ability to pursue any bold turning movements ala Lee's Second Manassas Campaign or Grant's Vicksburg Campaign for want of transportation. Bragg is popularly remembered as an incompetent, wanting army commander, and it looks his negative reputation has proceeded him in the popular notions of Chickamauga and Chattanooga. In my opinion, Bragg's movements (or lack thereof) post-Chickamauga, given the issues of transportation seem very reasonable indeed, rather than the actions of an incompetent general snatching strategic defeat from the hands of decisive, perhaps war-winning victory.
 
Confederate transportation and meat shortages are a running theme in the 1863 histories of the Army of Tennessee, and I believe it was blamed on the Atlanta-Dalton and East Tennessee depots being purposed mainly for the support of the troops in Virginia.

Unfortunate that it was the Federal right and not left that was routed, something that D.H Hill was scapegoated for, IIRC. Bragg's whole purpose at Chickamauga, I understand, was to drive Rosecrans into the cul-de-sac at McLemore's Cove, and not back into the intrenchments of Chattanooga.
 
Bragg's assessment was that if you take 10K casualties to dislodge the Federals from Chattanooga post Chickamauga. Confederates best opportunities were before Chattanooga. From this point the Federals were getting stronger the Confederates weaker. 100K Federals in East TN including Knoxville vs 50K plus for the Confederates. Federals had their supply line to their backs at Chattanooga. Opened much of the river and were rebuilding the RR. They had more troops in East TN than they could support without a RR.

Really have to go back to the beginning of the War to understand AOT's different problems and Bragg's. Subordinate problems blew up after Chickamauga but they didn't start there. Bragg had personality issues and some historians recognize his health problems should have kept him off the field. Just too easy too blame everything on his subordinates, or Bragg. No proof that I have seen they were trying to Grenade him so they could take his place etc. These guys were loyal to the cause. Longstreet in particular didn't understand the difference in resources between ANV and AOT at Chickamauga. He will before it is all over. Something else people don't understand. Before it is all over, Longstreet has some of the same command issues Bragg did because of it. Knoxville Campaign and beyond.

Powell blames D H Hill for most of the debacle on the 20th. He isn't too charitable when it comes to the Confederates. Suspect that he doesn't think they deserve it. Nearest thing I've heard him say as a complimentary. Several Federal officers thought Forrest was a PIA.

Powell also estimates that on the morning of the 20th. Without counting Calvary on either side. That the Federals had 40K troops and the Confederates had 63K. With 18K of the confederates not being engaged on the 19th. Which would have been a force multiplier. Federals did have Steedman's Division that Granger brought up afternoon of the 20th to the support of Thomas. Confederates had number advantage and the element of surprise on their side in N Ga. Rare elements.
 
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Bragg's assessment was that if you take 10K casualties to dislodge the Federals from Chattanooga post Chickamauga. Confederates best opportunities were before Chattanooga. From this point the Federals were getting stronger the Confederates weaker. 100K Federals in East TN including Knoxville vs 50K plus for the Confederates. Federals had their supply line to their backs at Chattanooga. Opened much of the river and were rebuilding the RR. They had more troops in East TN than they could support without a RR.

Really have to go back to the beginning of the War to understand AOT's different problems and Bragg's. Subordinate problems blew up after Chickamauga but they didn't start there. Bragg had personality issues and some historians recognize his health problems should have kept him off the field. Just too easy too blame everything on his subordinates, or Bragg. No proof that I have seen they were trying to Grenade him so they could take his place etc. These guys were loyal to the cause. Longstreet in particular didn't understand the difference in resources between ANV and AOT at Chickamauga. He will before it is all over. Something else people don't understand. Before it is all over, Longstreet has some of the same command issues Bragg did because of it. Knoxville Campaign and beyond.

Powell blames D H Hill for most of the debacle on the 20th. He isn't too charitable when it comes to the Confederates. Suspect that he doesn't think they deserve it. Nearest thing I've heard him say as a complimentary. Several Federal officers thought Forrest was a PIA.

Powell also estimates that on the morning of the 20th. Without counting Calvary on either side. That the Federals had 40K troops and the Confederates had 63K. With 18K of the confederates not being engaged on the 19th. Which would have been a force multiplier. Federals did have Steedman's Division that Granger brought up afternoon of the 20th to the support of Thomas. Confederates had number advantage and the element of surprise on their side in N Ga. Rare elements.
Had some good conversations with Dave regarding some of this pertaining to Hill back in 2012 on Chickamauga Blog.


 
In my opinion, Bragg's movements (or lack thereof) post-Chickamauga, given the issues of transportation seem very reasonable indeed, rather than the actions of an incompetent general snatching strategic defeat from the hands of decisive, perhaps war-winning victory.
Does anyone else find a certain resemblance to the lack of following up 1st Bull Run?
Lubliner.
 
Actually, it can be summed up in a single sentence. When Rosecrans secured Chattanooga Chickamauga was nothing but a tactical success.

There was nothing of strategic importance along Chattanooga Creek. Bragg lost more casualties than he inflicted on the Army of the Cumberland. Nothing but misery ensued.

To some extent I think this view is with the benefit of hindsight. The aftermath of Chickamauga certainly struck the Northern public and the War Department as a disaster, and assistant Secretary of War Charles Dana famously reported that the battle "is as fatal a name in our history as Bull Run." While Dana's report was overexaggerated, there were factual strategic implications to the battle beyond it being a "tactical success" for the Army of Tennessee.

The defeat at Chickamauga left the rebels with, for the first time in nearly a year, the initiative in the West and they would retain it for the following two months until Grant's breakout from Chattanooga. For the next 64 days it was Bragg who held the initiative, not Rosecrans or Grant.
You would have seen Rosecrans continuing his offensive campaign in North Georgia had Bragg lost Chickamauga, likely capturing Dalton and the defensible terrain of North Georgia. Bragg's victory kept the industrial heartland of the Confederacy—the Lower South—safe until the next year's campaigning season. As it was, the Army of Tennessee started May of '64 firmly established within the mountains of North Georgia rather than in the open country of Central Georgia

Beyond the matter of the initiative, the victory at Chickamauga was directly detrimental to the federal war effort outside of the Chattanooga/North Georgia area.
The 11th and 12th Corps were quickly earmarked and shipped west for the relief of Chattanooga, depriving the Army of the Potomac of almost 30% of its effective strength. Meade was unable to leverage a decisive advantage over Lee or feel confident offensively fighting him without the 11th and 12th, and he was unable to exploit the weakening of Lee's army with the AoNV down McLaws', Hood's, and Pickett's divisions, or 13 brigades in total.
The Army of the Tennessee, already down the 13th Corps when it was transferred to the Army of the Gulf, saw most of the 15th Corps and part of the 17th Corps sent to Chattanooga as well. Grant too was unable to further his gains in Mississippi with the loss of troops via transfers, and that theater would be quiet until February of '64 with Sherman's Meridian Campaign. Without Chickamauga you could have seen Grant's army move toward the industry of Selma, the railroad center of Mobile, and the agriculture of the Tombigbee River Valley. As it was, there would never be enough time or troops available for those areas to be seriously threatened until March and April of 1865.

Personally, considering all the above, I think it hard to argue that Chickamauga was strategically irrelevant. It's surely not as flashy as Lee's successful campaigns and battles, but there were a lot of major, if not directly visible, strategic results in the Confederacy's favor.
 
To some extent I think this view is with the benefit of hindsight. The aftermath of Chickamauga certainly struck the Northern public and the War Department as a disaster, and assistant Secretary of War Charles Dana famously reported that the battle "is as fatal a name in our history as Bull Run." While Dana's report was overexaggerated, there were factual strategic implications to the battle beyond it being a "tactical success" for the Army of Tennessee.

The defeat at Chickamauga left the rebels with, for the first time in nearly a year, the initiative in the West and they would retain it for the following two months until Grant's breakout from Chattanooga. For the next 64 days it was Bragg who held the initiative, not Rosecrans or Grant.
You would have seen Rosecrans continuing his offensive campaign in North Georgia had Bragg lost Chickamauga, likely capturing Dalton and the defensible terrain of North Georgia. Bragg's victory kept the industrial heartland of the Confederacy—the Lower South—safe until the next year's campaigning season. As it was, the Army of Tennessee started May of '64 firmly established within the mountains of North Georgia rather than in the open country of Central Georgia

Beyond the matter of the initiative, the victory at Chickamauga was directly detrimental to the federal war effort outside of the Chattanooga/North Georgia area.
The 11th and 12th Corps were quickly earmarked and shipped west for the relief of Chattanooga, depriving the Army of the Potomac of almost 30% of its effective strength. Meade was unable to leverage a decisive advantage over Lee or feel confident offensively fighting him without the 11th and 12th, and he was unable to exploit the weakening of Lee's army with the AoNV down McLaws', Hood's, and Pickett's divisions, or 13 brigades in total.
The Army of the Tennessee, already down the 13th Corps when it was transferred to the Army of the Gulf, saw most of the 15th Corps and part of the 17th Corps sent to Chattanooga as well. Grant too was unable to further his gains in Mississippi with the loss of troops via transfers, and that theater would be quiet until February of '64 with Sherman's Meridian Campaign. Without Chickamauga you could have seen Grant's army move toward the industry of Selma, the railroad center of Mobile, and the agriculture of the Tombigbee River Valley. As it was, there would never be enough time or troops available for those areas to be seriously threatened until March and April of 1865.

Personally, considering all the above, I think it hard to argue that Chickamauga was strategically irrelevant. It's surely not as flashy as Lee's successful campaigns and battles, but there were a lot of major, if not directly visible, strategic results in the Confederacy's favor.

All of that is quite true. However, have you ever read the letters & of Bragg's soldiers after the "victory" of Chickamauga? I had the privilege of seeing a full moon eclipse from Point Park. When that happened Bragg's men saw it as a harbinger of doom. It was the source of a deep sink into depression that swept the rank & file of the Army of Tennessee. Conversely, it is remarkable how the letters & journals of the Cumberlanders reflect a realization that at Fort Donelson, Shiloh, Stones River, Corinth & Iuka the Johnnys had attacked on the first day & then been defeated on the second day, Deep dark despair soaked the Army of Tennessee ranks & in contrast there was a we'll get them next time attitude that pervaded the Cumberlander's ranks. Dana's reports to the president reflected that attitude, as well.

Oddly enough, you can read Dana's reports exactly the same way Lincoln did. He was fond of reading Dana's dispatches out loud to his cabinet… so can you.

Link to the Washington Military Telegraph logs:


Everything is in this link… most especially the logbook that Dana's personal coded messages were recorded in. These are the most original of original sources. You can read the very messages Lincoln received from Dana who was his man with eyes on what was actually happening…. Oh by the way, the original code books are also there. Enjoy.m
 
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All of that is quite true. However, have you ever read the letters & of Bragg's soldiers after the "victory" of Chickamauga? If you had, the deep sink into depression that swept the rank & file of the Army of Tennessee after the massive bloodletting is unmistakable as nothing but defeat. Conversely, it is remarkable how the letters & journals of the Cumberlanders reflect a realization that at Fort Donelson, Shiloh, Stones River, Corinth & Iuka the Johnnys had attacked on the first day & then been defeated on the second day, It really is remarkable how despair soaked the Army of Tennessee ranks & the we'll get them next time attitude pervaded the Cumberlander's ranks.
It does sound as though it was primarily a morale defeat, and Bragg's lack of rapport a definite magnifier to the feelings in the army.
Lubliner.
 
It does sound as though it was primarily a morale defeat, and Bragg's lack of rapport a definite magnifier to the feelings in the army.
Lubliner.

All you have to do is read Forrest's account of capturing the signal station at what is now Point Park. He was furious with Bragg's inability to move decisively. I agree with Forrest, he was absolutely correct, no question.


Why would anybody care what any of us have to say when you can read what the real people had to say? It is so cool to read Dana's messages out loud just like Lincoln did… I mean really cool. You are in for a revaluation.
 
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To some extent I think this view is with the benefit of hindsight. The aftermath of Chickamauga certainly struck the Northern public and the War Department as a disaster, and assistant Secretary of War Charles Dana famously reported that the battle "is as fatal a name in our history as Bull Run." While Dana's report was overexaggerated, there were factual strategic implications to the battle beyond it being a "tactical success" for the Army of Tennessee.

The defeat at Chickamauga left the rebels with, for the first time in nearly a year, the initiative in the West and they would retain it for the following two months until Grant's breakout from Chattanooga. For the next 64 days it was Bragg who held the initiative, not Rosecrans or Grant.
You would have seen Rosecrans continuing his offensive campaign in North Georgia had Bragg lost Chickamauga, likely capturing Dalton and the defensible terrain of North Georgia. Bragg's victory kept the industrial heartland of the Confederacy—the Lower South—safe until the next year's campaigning season. As it was, the Army of Tennessee started May of '64 firmly established within the mountains of North Georgia rather than in the open country of Central Georgia

Beyond the matter of the initiative, the victory at Chickamauga was directly detrimental to the federal war effort outside of the Chattanooga/North Georgia area.
The 11th and 12th Corps were quickly earmarked and shipped west for the relief of Chattanooga, depriving the Army of the Potomac of almost 30% of its effective strength. Meade was unable to leverage a decisive advantage over Lee or feel confident offensively fighting him without the 11th and 12th, and he was unable to exploit the weakening of Lee's army with the AoNV down McLaws', Hood's, and Pickett's divisions, or 13 brigades in total.
The Army of the Tennessee, already down the 13th Corps when it was transferred to the Army of the Gulf, saw most of the 15th Corps and part of the 17th Corps sent to Chattanooga as well. Grant too was unable to further his gains in Mississippi with the loss of troops via transfers, and that theater would be quiet until February of '64 with Sherman's Meridian Campaign. Without Chickamauga you could have seen Grant's army move toward the industry of Selma, the railroad center of Mobile, and the agriculture of the Tombigbee River Valley. As it was, there would never be enough time or troops available for those areas to be seriously threatened until March and April of 1865.

Personally, considering all the above, I think it hard to argue that Chickamauga was strategically irrelevant. It's surely not as flashy as Lee's successful campaigns and battles, but there were a lot of major, if not directly visible, strategic results in the Confederacy's favor.

Stanton & Lincoln were together when Dana's report arrived. You can read it. Within 24 hours two Army of the Potomac corps were standing on rail road platforms & on their way to Tennessee. Colonel Boyde would have been so proud.
 
All you have to do is read Forrest's account of capturing the signal station at what is now Point Park. He was furious with Bragg's inability to move decisively. I agree with Forrest, he was absolutely correct, no question.


Why would anybody care what any of us have to say when you can read what the real people had to say? It is so cool to read Dana's messages out loud just like Lincoln did… I mean really cool. You are in for a revaluation.
Powell went into Forrest's capturing of the signal station and subsequent report and was rather scathing of the report. Here is the text from the book itself:
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Powell's very much one of the definitive historians in terms of Chickamauga, and I'm inclined to concur with his summation that Forrest's reporting was extremely inaccurate and perhaps, more importantly, very poorly done.
 
To some extent I think this view is with the benefit of hindsight. The aftermath of Chickamauga certainly struck the Northern public and the War Department as a disaster, and assistant Secretary of War Charles Dana famously reported that the battle "is as fatal a name in our history as Bull Run." While Dana's report was overexaggerated, there were factual strategic implications to the battle beyond it being a "tactical success" for the Army of Tennessee.

The defeat at Chickamauga left the rebels with, for the first time in nearly a year, the initiative in the West and they would retain it for the following two months until Grant's breakout from Chattanooga. For the next 64 days it was Bragg who held the initiative, not Rosecrans or Grant.
You would have seen Rosecrans continuing his offensive campaign in North Georgia had Bragg lost Chickamauga, likely capturing Dalton and the defensible terrain of North Georgia. Bragg's victory kept the industrial heartland of the Confederacy—the Lower South—safe until the next year's campaigning season. As it was, the Army of Tennessee started May of '64 firmly established within the mountains of North Georgia rather than in the open country of Central Georgia

Beyond the matter of the initiative, the victory at Chickamauga was directly detrimental to the federal war effort outside of the Chattanooga/North Georgia area.
The 11th and 12th Corps were quickly earmarked and shipped west for the relief of Chattanooga, depriving the Army of the Potomac of almost 30% of its effective strength. Meade was unable to leverage a decisive advantage over Lee or feel confident offensively fighting him without the 11th and 12th, and he was unable to exploit the weakening of Lee's army with the AoNV down McLaws', Hood's, and Pickett's divisions, or 13 brigades in total.
The Army of the Tennessee, already down the 13th Corps when it was transferred to the Army of the Gulf, saw most of the 15th Corps and part of the 17th Corps sent to Chattanooga as well. Grant too was unable to further his gains in Mississippi with the loss of troops via transfers, and that theater would be quiet until February of '64 with Sherman's Meridian Campaign. Without Chickamauga you could have seen Grant's army move toward the industry of Selma, the railroad center of Mobile, and the agriculture of the Tombigbee River Valley. As it was, there would never be enough time or troops available for those areas to be seriously threatened until March and April of 1865.

Personally, considering all the above, I think it hard to argue that Chickamauga was strategically irrelevant. It's surely not as flashy as Lee's successful campaigns and battles, but there were a lot of major, if not directly visible, strategic results in the Confederacy's favor.
Of course it is the benefit of hindsight… 170 years of hindsight for goodness sake!
 
Powell went into Forrest's capturing of the signal station and subsequent report and was rather scathing of the report. Here is the text from the book itself:
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Powell's very much one of the definitive historians in terms of Chickamauga, and I'm inclined to concur with his summation that Forrest's reporting was extremely inaccurate and perhaps, more importantly, very poorly done.
There is no reason to discount Powell's narrative. The point you miss is that Bragg's subordinates accepted Forrest's report as accurate. They were predisposed, as was Forrest, to believe that Bragg was incompetent.

By the same token, should you read Dana's reports, a man who was actually on the scene, Army of the Cumberland officers were surprisingly sanguine.

The contrast in morale between the two armies is striking. The participants make that crystal clear.
 
Powell went into Forrest's capturing of the signal station and subsequent report and was rather scathing of the report. Here is the text from the book itself:
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Powell's very much one of the definitive historians in terms of Chickamauga, and I'm inclined to concur with his summation that Forrest's reporting was extremely inaccurate and perhaps, more importantly, very poorly done.
This really does make me wonder what Forrest was about. I can't believe it was a purposeful intent to mislead, but rather a cover up of his own deficiency for being unable to complete his orders or assignment. At face value the report is rather vague, and he probably guessed further inquiry would not come for more explicit details. It seems as though he had lost heart in the fight, and was willing to sit back and let things unfold now that the killing was through for a while.
Lubliner.
 
This really does make me wonder what Forrest was about. I can't believe it was a purposeful intent to mislead, but rather a cover up of his own deficiency for being unable to complete his orders or assignment. At face value the report is rather vague, and he probably guessed further inquiry would not come for more explicit details. It seems as though he had lost heart in the fight, and was willing to sit back and let things unfold now that the killing was through for a while.
Lubliner.
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Forrest captured the signal team at what is now Point Park, the extreme right of the top of Lookout Mountain. He had a view of everything in a swath covering hundreds of square miles. What he could not do from up there is engage with the Cumberlanders in Chattanooga.


Forrest & Grant understood tempo. Many other generals demonstrably did not. What Forrest saw was a fleeting window in time. Had Bragg done what Forrest / Grant would have done & been there pushing forces that stayed right on the tail of the Cumberlanders a very different result would have been possible.
 
Did the Army of Tennessee have any large force of rested infantry ready to march and fight when the battle ended?
"Rested" would be something different at this point than say 3 days earlier certainly. I believe Cheatham's division was the closest to "rested" as could be, having been mostly inactive until towards the end of the day, when they went in on the final assaults that broke Thomas's line. Perhaps some of the cavalry could have been "rested" for the purpose of a legitimate pursuit; however, getting them rounded up (Wheeler especially) would have taken some time for sure. Naturally, the supply situation/transportation issues discussed above would be an issue for the pursuers.
 

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