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Brunswick Bayonet.

Discussion in 'Civil War Weapons and Ammunition' started by timeout, Feb 6, 2017.

  1. timeout

    timeout Cadet

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    I hope someone will be able to shed some light on the matter. I bought the bayonet from a auction in Canada but I live in Ireland! I think this is a 2nd issue Brunswick Volunteer bayonet, but has a modification which I can not find a reference to. Overall length is 26.75" or 679mm blade length is 22.1" or 561mm. The side of the grip with the mortise slot has been flattened and counter stamped.with the mark N S over 51 over 8 would like to know which unit this is. Same on the otherside of the grip but this time its B over underscore 174. On the pommel the number 34 and also six lines in to lots of 3.
    I might have this wrong as to the bayonet type! maybe it was modified for some gun from the US civil war? Yet again any help most welcome.....paul.

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  3. JOHN42768

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    Welcome, enjoy. Someone might chime in with some help.
     
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    Paul. It is possible Franco-Prussian War.
     
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    It is definitely a Brunswick, that has been altered to fit another type of rifle; the slashes on the rear of the handle are mating marks, so that the bayonet would mate with the proper rifle once altered.
     
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    This is all good stuff! thank you to Pavilel and Package4. so until we can narrow down which rifle it was used on, I will not know which units used it. thanks guys.......paul
     
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    You might want to try it on a Mississippi (M1841) and a two band Enfield to see if it fits, if you can find one a M1855 rifle ?
     
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    I wonder if this may be a "Commercial" Brunswick bayonet made for the open market and not the Crown?

    It is based upon a Type 1 Brunswick bayonet, but it has 28 ribs instead of 27. The lock catch plunger is a reverse tapered solid pin rather than a broad button on a rod. Although it is common to find a "flat" around the slot, this one is quite exaggerated as if made for, or mated to, a Brunswick which wasn't quite standard. I can't see any marks on the blade ricasso. It should have a "Crown/VR/Enfield (and a date)" on one side, and inspectors marks, such as "Crown/E/6" etc. on the opposite side of the ricasso. Just some different thoughts!
    J.
     
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    Welcome From The Heart Of Dixie. I really can't add anything except it looks as if its been modified at least twice.
     
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    It is not for any US arsenal manufactured arm. Keep in mind the Russians used a version of the Brunswick as well as the Brits. I agree with Jobe Holiday that it is likely a commercial manufacture instead of crown.
     
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    Hello Paul.

    Welcome aboard.

    You've received some great info about your bayonet.
     
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    Thanks guys...... there are no marks on the blade. Volunteer units had to supply their own uniforms and weapons, and as such turned to commercial market for the supply. That is in the UK.....Once the unit had bought their weapons they were then marked with the units number. If the unit was on active service and completed the tour of duty, the weapons would be sold/handed over to the next unit. Or withdrawn and passed on to second line troops, which probably had a greater array of weapon types.......Jobe..I to noticed the pin, The hole the pin comes through is quite large, but it needs to be because when pushed to operate the catch it moves a good 3/8" The release button seems to be from Constabulary Carbine Sword Bayonet, altho they were also used in the experimental Brunswick sword bayonets. That said, they changed from the button back to shaped pin type in 1848 in both Ordnance and Volunteer patterns. I never thought of counting the ribs, so it was back to the books! From what I can make out the ribs number 24-36 so non the wiser! I think the way to solve this is in the unit numbers....B underscore 174 and NS over 51 over 8.....Yet again guys Thank you all for the input....PS..... Constabulary blades were 16-17.25".....experimental 24.8" Ordnance 1837 patt 22.1" 1848 patt 21.75" Volunteer 22" mine is 22"
     

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