Blockade Runner CHEROKEE

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Greetings Shipmates,

Recently I came across a photo of George F. Trescott, while held at Fort Warren, claiming him to be captain of the blockade Runner, CHEROKEE.. an internet search has proven inadequate, and I was wondering if anyone had any info on this vessel.. One sketch I did find, as well as brief mention in the ORs has her being captured by USS Canandaigua, June 12, 1863
 
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Wise, Lifeline of the Confederacy, p. 324 describes her as originally named Thistle (I, screw), built 1859, and renamed Cherokee after salvage from running aground March 8, 1862.

A slightly larger Thistle (II, sidewheeler) was built in the same yard, Lawrence Hill & Co., Port Glasgow, in 1864.

Wise has a paragraph of data and history on each ship. If you want excerpt scans, open a conversation with me, since I can't post copyrighted material.

There is also data on USS Cherokee in Silverstone, Warships of the Civil War Navies, p. 88. Silverstone says the builder Hill was located in Renfrew, Scotland - which lies downstream of Glasgow proper.

Register of Ships of the U.S. Navy, 1775-1990: Major Combatants, By Karl Jack Bauer, Stephen S. Roberts has some of the same data as the other sources.

In 1865 or 1868 (depending on the source), the ship was sold to Chile as a naval vessel, renamed Ancud. You might try searching for her under that name.

Sources report her as "Merchant 1878: Wrecked at Chiloe Island, off southwest Chile, 25 Aug 1889."

NOTE: If you have the sketch of Thistle in Plate IX of American Neptune Pictorial Supplement III. Blockade Runners, that is Thistle (II).

Most or all of this seems also to be at:
 
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Here is a start...

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/473581717050760350/


Captured blockade runner[edit]
The ship was built in 1859 at Renfrew, Scotland, for commercial employment. Under the name Thistle she was used as a blockade runner and in late January 1863 successfully ran through the Federal blockade into Charleston, South Carolina, a favorite port for blockade runners at the time. She ran aground while attempting to leave port a month later.The ship was salvaged, sold to another owner and renamed Cherokee. On 8 May 1863, she again attempted to an outbound passage, but was captured by USS Canandaigua. Prior to delivery to the Boston Prize Court on 7 July, she was used in the search for the Confederate raider CSS Tacony.
 


They could make bank, for sure. Admiral S. P. Lee, with the North Atlantic Blockading Squadron off Wilmington, reportedly made upwards of $110,000 during his tenure. He hired (out of his own pocket) an attorney specifically to represent his interests at hearings before the prize court.
 
reportedly made upwards of $110,000 during his tenure.

I was surprised to see that the money was distributed throughout the chain of command. I can see a few naval officers got a bit wealthy during the civil war. I would have been a zealot blockade runner hunter if I would have been a naval officer back then. Think, how much 110,000 dollars is in today's dollars, millions I guess.
 
Does anyone know how this protocol to capture a ship, thus gain a prize, developed during the CW? Were such maritime traditions common before the CW - in other CW era wars?

Was money the prime motivator? Wouldn't it be more expedient to just destroy the ship? I think this idea of capture rather than destroy has contributed heavily to the misconception that the blockade was ineffective. What do you think?
 
Awarding prize money was a long-standing custom in both the US and British navies. I don't think it was a primary motivator for most officers and crews, but it didn't hurt.
 
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Postwar image of USS Canandaigua. navsource.org.


When I was working on the blockade running book, I put together an Excel spreadsheet to calculate prize money payout to individual members of the ship's crew. The amount an individual officer (excluding the Captain) or sailor would receive depended on the number in the crew carried on the ship's books at the time of capture, information that I did not have ready access to. However, it's a fair approximation of the amounts of prize money involved in individual capture.

U.S. Navy warships on blockade station were rarely at full, authorized complement, and typically had on board 10% to 25% smaller crews than officially listed. This meant that the actual amount of prize money awarded to each man was probably higher than the attached calculations suggest.

Prize.jpg

Marines drilling at the Brooklyn Navy Yard. At left, just beyond the Navy Yard wall, the side of a building is painted, "PRIZE MONEY." This was likely the premises of a prize money broker, who would advance sailors and Marines immediate cash in exchange for them signing over later (and larger) official prize money payouts to them. Brooklyn Navy Yard Collection.


Against that, prize money was often very slow in reaching the individual men to which it was awarded. Prize cases could be tied up in legal wrangling for years, and it typically took at least several months, and sometimes years, for payments to be made. Francis Davenport, a former officer on USS Portsmouth, writing long after the war about the first prize his ship had captured, noted laconically, "I think I got some $43 prize money about twelve years afterward…" In some ports, brokers sprang up that would advance sailors cash in exchange for them signing over their prize money to them, typically at a usurious rate.

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Charles Mount, an Irish immigrant who enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1864 and served on Canandaigua. Because he was not on board when Canandaigua captured Cherokee, Mount did not share in the Cherokee prize money. His messmates, though, would have come in for about $160 each. Navsource.org


Since prize money was distributed using a standard formula, there are only three variables that need to be put into the spreadsheet — the total complement of the capturing ship (taken from Silverstone's Warships of the Civil War Navies), and the adjudicated value of the prize, less court costs and expenses, both figures taken from Porter's Naval History of the Civil War. Identification of the ships sharing in the prize money is taken from Porter, and cross-checked in Headley's Our Navy in the Great Rebellion.

In the case of Rear Admiral Turner, described above, the three prizes in question were captured by just two Union blockaders -- Cherokee by USS Canandaigua, and Aries and St. Johns by USS Stettin. All three prizes were adjudicated in Boston. The date given in the record for the capture of St. Johns appears to be incorrect; other sources list that date as April 18, 1863, which puts it in about the same time frame as the other two.

Of the net proceeds, the government took 50% right off the top, which went (IIRC) into a fund for hospitals for disabled seamen. The remainder was divided as follows:

  • 5% to the Squadron Commander (e.g., Farragut, DuPont, S. P. Lee, Dahlgren)
  • 1% to the local Division Commander
  • 44% to the officers and crews of the ship(s) making the capture

That 44% was then divided in the 20 shares, allotted as follows:

  • Captain, 3/20
  • Officers and Midshipmen, 10/20
  • Enlisted Men, 7/20

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Paymaster Charles H. Eldridge served aboard Canandaigua from 1862 to 1864. His share of the Cherokee proze money would likely have been around $677. Navsource.org.


Aries
and Cherokee were particularly valuable captures, the vessels and their contents brings around $150K each at auction, before expenses. The three PDFs attached show approximately how much the captains, officers, and enlisted crew members should have received from each of these three captures. Notably, Aries was a huge haul, an valuable ship and cargo divided among the small crew of Stettin. Each officer of that screw steamer would've received over $1,700, and each enlisted man roughly $420, far more than a year's pay for an Ordinary Seaman.
 

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Thanks guys for getting me back on course.. Andy Hall, I GOTTA get a copy of your book!!!
Thanks. There are other, more more detailed books that deal with prize money, but not many I'm aware of that discuss it much as part of the blockade "big picture." I tried to stay balanced in discussing both sides of the conflict -- a lot of blockade-running books get carried away with derring-do on the part of the runners, but don't much talk about the blockaders at all.
 

Aries and Cherokee were particularly valuable captures, the vessels and their contents brings around $150K each at auction, before expenses. The three PDFs attached show approximately how much the captains, officers, and enlisted crew members should have received from each of these three captures. Notably, Aries was a huge haul, an valuable ship and cargo divided among the small crew of Stettin. Each officer of that screw steamer would've received over $1,700, and each enlisted man roughly $420, far more than a year's pay for an Ordinary Seaman.

Sounds like you should find some Historian Chair that needs to find Thesis topics - what became off all those crewmen after receiving their windfalls would make for an interesting read. If the stories were interesting enough, maybe even a single-season HBO series.
 
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Postwar image of USS Canandaigua. navsource.org.


When I was working on the blockade running book, I put together an Excel spreadsheet to calculate prize money payout to individual members of the ship's crew. The amount an individual officer (excluding the Captain) or sailor would receive depended on the number in the crew carried on the ship's books at the time of capture, information that I did not have ready access to. However, it's a fair approximation of the amounts of prize money involved in individual capture.

U.S. Navy warships on blockade station were rarely at full, authorized complement, and typically had on board 10% to 25% smaller crews than officially listed. This meant that the actual amount of prize money awarded to each man was probably higher than the attached calculations suggest.

View attachment 133230
Marines drilling at the Brooklyn Navy Yard. At left, just beyond the Navy Yard wall, the side of a building is painted, "PRIZE MONEY." This was likely the premises of a prize money broker, who would advance sailors and Marines immediate cash in exchange for them signing over later (and larger) official prize money payouts to them. Brooklyn Navy Yard Collection.


Against that, prize money was often very slow in reaching the individual men to which it was awarded. Prize cases could be tied up in legal wrangling for years, and it typically took at least several months, and sometimes years, for payments to be made. Francis Davenport, a former officer on USS Portsmouth, writing long after the war about the first prize his ship had captured, noted laconically, "I think I got some $43 prize money about twelve years afterward…" In some ports, brokers sprang up that would advance sailors cash in exchange for them signing over their prize money to them, typically at a usurious rate.

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Charles Mount, an Irish immigrant who enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1864 and served on Canandaigua. Because he was not on board when Canandaigua captured Cherokee, Mount did not share in the Cherokee prize money. His messmates, though, would have come in for about $160 each. Navsource.org


Since prize money was distributed using a standard formula, there are only three variables that need to be put into the spreadsheet — the total complement of the capturing ship (taken from Silverstone's Warships of the Civil War Navies), and the adjudicated value of the prize, less court costs and expenses, both figures taken from Porter's Naval History of the Civil War. Identification of the ships sharing in the prize money is taken from Porter, and cross-checked in Headley's Our Navy in the Great Rebellion.

In the case of Rear Admiral Turner, described above, the three prizes in question were captured by just two Union blockaders -- Cherokee by USS Canandaigua, and Aries and St. Johns by USS Stettin. All three prizes were adjudicated in Boston. The date given in the record for the capture of St. Johns appears to be incorrect; other sources list that date as April 18, 1863, which puts it in about the same time frame as the other two.

Of the net proceeds, the government took 50% right off the top, which went (IIRC) into a fund for hospitals for disabled seamen. The remainder was divided as follows:

  • 5% to the Squadron Commander (e.g., Farragut, DuPont, S. P. Lee, Dahlgren)
  • 1% to the local Division Commander
  • 44% to the officers and crews of the ship(s) making the capture

That 44% was then divided in the 20 shares, allotted as follows:

  • Captain, 3/20
  • Officers and Midshipmen, 10/20
  • Enlisted Men, 7/20

View attachment 133226
Paymaster Charles H. Eldridge served aboard Canandaigua from 1862 to 1864. His share of the Cherokee proze money would likely have been around $677. Navsource.org.


Aries
and Cherokee were particularly valuable captures, the vessels and their contents brings around $150K each at auction, before expenses. The three PDFs attached show approximately how much the captains, officers, and enlisted crew members should have received from each of these three captures. Notably, Aries was a huge haul, an valuable ship and cargo divided among the small crew of Stettin. Each officer of that screw steamer would've received over $1,700, and each enlisted man roughly $420, far more than a year's pay for an Ordinary Seaman.
I seem to recall reading that if other naval vessels were in sight when the lead ship made the capture, then the amount was distributed between the crews of all the ships in the squadron. I don't remember the formula for distribution. I believe this followed Royal Navy Practice.
 
That's correct. The idea is that all ships within signaling range would have played a role in the captured ship's decision to strike, Even if they were not actively part of the engagement. In the US Navy during the Civil War that distance was commonly reckoned to be five nautical miles in daylight, although that's an awfully long distance to communicate by flag hoist. If you look at naval reports and dispatch is dealing with the capture a blockade runners, you will often find phrases like "within signaling distance" or similar, The commanders used to assert that they were close enough to share in the prize money.
 
RE: Prize money tied up in redtape, we have a letter in our collection at the SOS, for the USS Augusta in relation to prize money for the capture of the blockade runner Cheshire that is dated post war... IIRC 1868, that the prize case had still not been adjudicated... the Jaryndice and Jaryndice of Prize Cases LOL
 

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