Muzzleldrs 1853 Enfield ? Confederate?!!!

[Zak93]

1861 endfeild I picked up the other day .English trade rifle ?
band is missing in middle and bottom one is wrong. Cook and son on bottom of stock and underneath the ram rod cook and son stamp on stock as well ,anybody know if they can confirm this as confederate? Maybe something near the bolts too can't make it out , and also maybe something on the top of butt stock to worn to tell Thanks!!

 

[UCVRelics]

Nice Cook & Sons enfield. It has all the marking of a CW import but as far as CS I'm going to let our enfield guru's answer that question. paging @Lanyard Puller @Craig L Barry and @johan_steele

 

[captaindrew]

Nice piece!

 

[johan_steele]

From what I can see someone took some disassociated parts and put together a rifle musket. That lock doesn't look correct to that stock as the escutcheons are post 62/63 and to me and there looks to be a couple other things of... but I'm using my phone so pics are very small.

The good news is I see parts that bubba didn't play with. An arm that could easily be completed and turned into a shooter with a good rifled barrel and sights and a couple barrel bands. I'd send pics of it to Lodgewood and ask Dave for an estimate to restore it to shooting condition. If you aren't interested in shooting it I see only a $200 investment in parts but to shoot it you'd likely also need to add a barrel.

The true experts have been paged and they'll chime in to contribute the real expertise.

 

[Story]

Keep things simple, send the barrel to Bobby Hoyt to have it relined.

 

[Zak93]

From what I can see someone took some disassociated parts and put together a rifle musket. That lock doesn't look correct to that stock as the escutcheons are post 62/63 and to me and there looks to be a couple other things of... but I'm using my phone so pics are very small.

The good news is I see parts that bubba didn't play with. An arm that could easily be completed and turned into a shooter with a good rifled barrel and sights and a couple barrel bands. I'd send pics of it to Lodgewood and ask Dave for an estimate to restore it to shooting condition. If you aren't interested in shooting it I see only a $200 investment in parts but to shoot it you'd likely also need to add a barrel.

The true experts have been paged and they'll chime in to contribute the real expertise.

Thank you ! I'm just going to display it !! The ram rod on it is mushroomed from being used so much and a lot of pitting on the barrel near the hammer on barrel this rifle was very heavily used . And has a story we will never know , the bottom band looks very aged as well could have been a period modification .

 

[Zak93]

Is this a type 1 2 or 3 or 4 ?

 

[Lanyard Puller]

You have {most of} a Pattern 1853 Third model, the most common of the P53 series.
The photos you posted show no definite Confederate marks.

 

[Zak93]

You have {most of} a Pattern 1853 Third model, the most common of the P53 series.
The photos you posted show no definite Confederate marks.

When you say most of what am I missing besides the middle and bottom band ?

 

[johan_steele]

When you say most of what am I missing besides the middle and bottom band ?

You're missing the 2 barrel bands and the rear sight.

 

[johan_steele]

You have a very nice wall hanger that you can easily pull down to show off as representative of what both sides were carrying.

 

[Zak93]

You have a very nice wall hanger that you can easily pull down to show off as representative of what both sides were carrying.

Thanks!

 

[Zak93]

The under side of the barrel

 

[Zak93]

Thanks

 

[Zak93]

The under side of the barrel

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Any way this helps ?

 

[Zak93]

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