Member Review Shelby Foote

I have only just started to read Shelby Foote's first volume narrative of the civil war. It's 40 + hours narrated, therefore this will take me some time and I have no idea that I will be able to finish it. It's going to have to keep me interested, but I'll see how it goes.

I am starting to understand the criticism however. Before I thought he'd be Lost Cause-y and I avoided him on that account, but that's not it. He has been fairly balanced so far. However, a couple of things I have noticed:

(1.) The context for the civil war (the background) is very superficially covered and is limited to a brief political narrative that doesn't provide a good enough explanation for a conflict of that magnitude. Other narratives like McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom set the stage better, describing succinctly the antebellum Americans North and South, the political and economic issues that separated them, and how the animosity, hostility, and political tensions increased an ever widening divide over the future of the country and the spread or containment of slavery until things erupted in a civil war. Shelby doesn't really build that escalating tension very well. His narrative started with secession already underway and it's discussed briefly as a political issue. He accomplished the description in a fair manner by focusing equally on Davis and Lincoln to start. He was balanced in this, but I felt like something was missing.

(2.) Was Jeff Davis really crying on the U.S. Senate floor when he announced he was going back to Mississippi after his state seceded? Shelby's description was of a sorrowful, crying Davis. Without footnotes or anything to corroborate that, one is left wondering whether colorful descriptions like this are Shelby adding his interpretation to enrich the narrative, whether he read this in an old newspaper somewhere, or this is an embellished story? There are just things he describes that make one wonder how he could have known them.


What's that thesis about?
IMHO
1.
This Mighty Scourge by James M. McPherson gives a better cross section of what you speak through essays.

I stopped reading Foote after Appomattox and I guess I was exhausted after the better part of the entire trilogy. To me he hooks you in like a good novelist. It takes a long time and commitment but iMHO well worth the investment of time and brain matter. He is a giant in CW non fiction prose. However he is not the only one.

2, Dunno

YHS,
Doc Ralph
 
He claims (i.e. theorizes without proof) that Foote wrote the ACW to avoid facing "r*cial realities", and should've wrote a more slave-focused narrative.

There's definitely people out there who get angry whenever someone tries to cover a historical topic without what they consider mandatory inclusiveness. Not just with the Civil War. Someone argued with me about a presentation I was going to give because my talk was focused on 20th century events and wasn't going into the Native American history of the area being covered.

I think omission due to focus is fine, as long as leaving out or skimming over part of the story doesn't distort what you are covering. Foote telling a story focused on military events, with Lincoln and Davis as main characters, doesn't tell a complete picture of the war but it doesn't tell a misleading story either. Foote wrote to his strengths and interests.
 
There's definitely people out there who get angry whenever someone tries to cover a historical topic without what they consider mandatory inclusiveness. Not just with the Civil War. Someone argued with me about a presentation I was going to give because my talk was focused on 20th century events and wasn't going into the Native American history of the area being covered.

I think omission due to focus is fine, as long as leaving out or skimming over part of the story doesn't distort what you are covering. Foote telling a story focused on military events, with Lincoln and Davis as main characters, doesn't tell a complete picture of the war but it doesn't tell a misleading story either. Foote wrote to his strengths and interests.
Agreed. I am fine with slave-centered narratives such as BCOF and Foner's Reconstruction, but Foote's was first and foremost military.
 
I have only just started to read Shelby Foote's first volume narrative of the civil war. It's 40 + hours narrated, therefore this will take me some time and I have no idea that I will be able to finish it. It's going to have to keep me interested, but I'll see how it goes.
I started the trilogy years ago and didn't finish it. Not my cup of tea, for the reasons mentioned.

There is a blogger who went through it and identified inaccuracies in Foote's trilogy. But I won't link to it because the blogger is a former member who causes consternation for some people here. He suggested that part of the problem is that Foote relied on secondary sources rather than doing his own research, so that he repeated errors that others had made.
 
There is a blogger who went through it and identified inaccuracies in Foote's trilogy. But I won't link to it because the blogger is a former member who causes consternation for some people here. He suggested that part of the problem is that Foote relied on secondary sources rather than doing his own research, so that he repeated errors that others had made.
I have seen those and feel like that blogger is too obsessed. He has pages and pages of posts attacking that old man. I'm sure I can wade through his stuff and find trivial errors. It's an unhealthy fixation. Like when he reviewed Allan Nevins he randomly attacked Foote for no reason. Heck, he even watched the Gettysburg making-of to dissect every sentence!

I think my big problem with Foote was his excessive worship of Forrest, but considering the time he was born, that's understandable. (I'm not attacking Forrest's admirers here.)
 
...but considering the time he was born, that's understandable.
Foote was definitely a person of his time.

I haven't read all of the bloggers articles on Foote. I get the impression that the more "Foote worship" that he encountered, whether here or wherever, the more motivated he was to dig into the subject matter.
 
I have seen those and feel like that blogger is too obsessed. He has pages and pages of posts attacking that old man. I'm sure I can wade through his stuff and find trivial errors. It's an unhealthy fixation. Like when he reviewed Allan Nevins he randomly attacked Foote for no reason. Heck, he even watched the Gettysburg making-of to dissect every sentence!

I think my big problem with Foote was his excessive worship of Forrest, but considering the time he was born, that's understandable. (I'm not attacking Forrest's admirers here.)
He's certainly obsessed with unhealthy fixations, and not only about Shelby. Wonder why he isn't around any more?
 
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Wow, that was awful. I'm sorry I looked it up and watched. 🤮

Yes indeed.

None of Shane Gillis' jokes ... from the start ... received any laughter last night. Perhaps an occasional "giggle" a few times, but no loud laughter from the audience.

IMO there are many things to laugh about in Burn's numerous documentaries, and Gillis admitted he failed last night.
Personally, I thought the funniest part was what seemed to be NBC using 1970's sitcom (laugh tracks) to mask his failure.
 
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I really don't believe that Shelby Foote had a Southern bias in his literature nor on the documentary.

He was balanced, with praising both Southern and Northern personalities during The War and being somewhat impartial to the mechanism of The War.

There's this inclination to criticise ANY current personality who may say one little thing positive about the Confederacy..... it's quite bizzare.

He was Southern yes, and he did paint Forrest in a positive light, but ultimately that's allowed, that's the luxury he earned by doing his monumental research for his narrative.

Being Southern and liking Forrest may not align with some people, but that's a good thing.

He said he would have fought for the South, good on him. Ultimately, it's the man's home.

I reckon I'd fight for my home and family regardless of the policies dictated by my state government.
 
I really don't believe that Shelby Foote had a Southern bias in his literature nor on the documentary.

He was balanced, with praising both Southern and Northern personalities during The War and being somewhat impartial to the mechanism of The War.

There's this inclination to criticise ANY current personality who may say one little thing positive about the Confederacy..... it's quite bizzare.

He was Southern yes, and he did paint Forrest in a positive light, but ultimately that's allowed, that's the luxury he earned by doing his monumental research for his narrative.

Being Southern and liking Forrest may not align with some people, but that's a good thing.

He said he would have fought for the South, good on him. Ultimately, it's the man's home.

I reckon I'd fight for my home and family regardless of the policies dictated by my state government.
NBF is my cousin 😆😆
 

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