Lt.Arty Foundry 1863 12pdr. Ames Napoleon model

[Millsman]

Possible Ames foundry example 18" overall, 20+lbs, 1 1/4" bore. Photos from the vendor plus one of mine showing the markings on the muzzle. Fortunately I know of a craftsman who makes carriages for all types of artillery both full size and scaled to fit. I will be updating this post when the carriage is completed for this example. If anyone knows what significance of the No.37 lettering on the muzzle denotes please post. Any information on this example would be appreciate.Thank.

 

[UCVRelics]

If anyone knows what significance of the No.37

That is the 37th one made.

 

[Seduzal]

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[CowCavalry]

So what is it exactly?

 

[drezac]

The small size is interesting. I'm kind of leaning towards some type of reproduction or possibly a signal gun. It's hard to tell how old it may be, but I did notice that the font on the muzzle stamping appears to be more of a modern font, as opposed to what you would typically see on something from the 1860's.

 

[redbob]

As strange as it may sound, manufacturers would often make salesman samples of their wares to show to prospective buyers and this may be an example of one.

 

[bayonet]

The small size is interesting. I'm kind of leaning towards some type of reproduction or possibly a signal gun. It's hard to tell how old it may be, but I did notice that the font on the muzzle stamping appears to be more of a modern font, as opposed to what you would typically see on something from the 1860's.

I'd agree it also looks like one of those saluting cannons you see outside Yacht Clubs and other places. The barrel letters stamped much later by someone try to pull the wool over everyones eyes.

 

[bayonet]

As strange as it may sound, manufacturers would make salesman samples of their wares to show to prospective buyers and this may be an example of one.

Wow even as far back as 1863?

 

[redbob]

Yes, I have seen a number of these models from that era and often if you applied for a patent, you had to have a working model of whatever you wished to patent.

 

[bayonet]

Yes, I have seen a number of these models from that era and often if you applied for a patent, you had to have a working model of whatever you wished to patent.

What you think the value $ of such an item is today? Plus do you think those muzzle stampings look 1863?

 

[redbob]

What you think the value $ of such an item is today? Plus do you think those muzzle stampings look 1863?

As for value, I really don't have any idea and I doubt that the markings are original as by 1863, the Napoleon was getting rather long in the tooth.

 

[drezac]

@redbob While there would not have been many napoleons for federal service, many state militias were still purchasing both napoleons and 6-pdr field guns. The State of Ohio Purchased 12 6-pdr field guns and 12 12-pdr napoleons from Miles Greenwood for the newly formed Ohio National Guard in 1864.

 

[drezac]

The other thing that stands out on the muzzle marking is that it is all caps. Ames markings are typically "A.M. Co." and the number would have been marked "No. 37"

 

[redbob]

@redbob While there would not have been many napoleons for federal service, many state militias were still purchasing both napoleons and 6-pdr field guns. The State of Ohio Purchased 12 6-pdr field guns and 12 12-pdr napoleons from Miles Greenwood for the newly formed Ohio National Guard in 1864.

Back in the olden days of auto making (the 30's, 40's and 50's) the auto makers use to make cars designed for the traveling salesman which didn't have a back seat and a folding partition so that salesmen could carry large samples/orders and sleep in the car if necessary. I know that this is somewhat off subject, but I thought of what it would take for a salesman to carry this sample around with him.

 

[CowCavalry]

Back in the olden days of auto making (the 30's, 40's and 50's) the auto makers use to make cars designed for the traveling salesman which didn't have a back seat and a folding partition so that salesmen could carry large samples/orders and sleep in the car if necessary. I know that this is somewhat off subject, but I thought of what it would take for a salesman to carry this sample around with him.

My thought was that it was a sample as well but then I thought not. Maybe it was a form of salute gun but whatever it is, its cool as heck.

 

[Millsman]

Carriage progress

 

[CowCavalry]

Carriage progress

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I want one!
Nice work, you are really doing it justice.

 

[Millsman]

The old assembly blindfolded test

Getting closer to completing

the builders website

Cannon Artillery & Carriage Reproductions-Michael Elledge-Houston,TX

Artillery Reproductions of Cannons and Cannon Carriages of the American Civil War and Revolutionary War items for sale. As a cannon maker of replica black powder custom wood cannons and cannon carriages such as navel, ships, garrison, or split trail carriages are created for firing or ornamental...

www.jmelledge.com

 

[CowCavalry]

Very nice job, that is going to look great where ever you put it.

 

[Millsman]

Completed should ship soon. carriage builders website. https://www.jmelledge.com/