What the heck is this thing?

Barnesville Blues

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Apologizes to all if I have posted something similar before...I don't think I have.... I also apologize if I have placed this in the wrong forum as I wasn't sure where to put it.

First some background on what exactly we are looking at here. This is my families old burial ground. It was lost for generations but was rediscovered back in the 1970's. A distant cousin of mine was led to the site of the cemetery by an old timer who has since passed. This cousin has shown others and eventually I was taken to the spot as well. A couple of years ago, another cousin and myself took it upon or selves to try to preserve the old family burial ground. Today the cemetery lies in a grove of trees that sites smack in the middle of a cow pasture. The grove of trees served as a source of shade for the cows which over time caused even more damage to the cemetery. My cousin and myself had a fence installed around the cemetery. There is only one grave that has markings, the grave of a young boy who would have been the Grand nephew of my Confederate Ancestor...the boys grandfather died a POW during the civil war and I have a couple of letters he wrote home from the war. It is possible that his grandfather is buried in this cemetery as he appears to have been in the process of being transported for exchange when he died. There are posibily two other Confederate Soldiers buried here as well, one was in the 53rd Georgia Infantry but all the graves but one have no markings, are just marked with simple stones or even just footer stones. My 4rth Great Grandparents are buried in two of the graves, they sent five sons off to war for the Confederacy, only two were alive when the war ended.

Anyway when I first arrived at the cemetery one very odd thing seems to stick out. There is a huge slab of granite that is well...out of place. It sites almost directly on top of the only grave with markings but slightly to one side. It is extremely heavily and it is hard to imagine it being moved far from where it was originally placed. The land owner who currently owns the property said that he became extremely interested in the cemetery as soon as he discovered it, said he originally thought it was an old slave cemetery because the marked stone was buried by leaves at the time so he didn't think any of the graves were marked. He said that when he first discovered the slab of granite that he figured it must have a carving of some kind on the underside. He hooked the slab to his tractor with a chain and with the help of others, pried it up to view the underside....nothing, no carvings of any kind. He said that since he had it standing, he left it upright and packed dirt around the base....it has since fallen which brings it to it's current state. The slab is not smooth like you typically see with slabs that go over the actual "hole" and it is very thick to be one of those. The only grave markings, after examining it, doesn't appear to have had one of these slabs as there are rocks arranged in a circle at the base of the head stone and then filled in with other stones to serve the same purpose as the slab would have. Someone suggested it might be a bench...but no legs or any other pieces have ever been found. I had the Georgia Historical Preservation Division send down two archaeologists who probed and found additional graves that we were unaware of and who are not marked with anything about 15 burials total.

Even these Archealogists were at a loss as to what the original purpose of this huge slab of granite would have been. It has to have cost a pretty penny back then. The archaeologists did point though that again the slab doesn't appear to go with the grave that it was closest too...as the only stone with Markings was made of Marble, not granite and the archaeologists also said it looks like Italian Marble, not the local Georgia Marble so it would not have been a cheap monument when it was new.

At lot has changed from the time this picture was taken, there is now a fence around the cemetery and the broken, marked stone in the picture has been repaired and is now back upright. Any thoughts on this slab of granite and what it was originally for? I would appreciate hearing your thoughts, especially from people like Mr. Wynn who works at a historical cemetery.

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Apologizes to all if I have posted something similar before...I don't think I have.... I also apologize if I have placed this in the wrong forum as I wasn't sure where to put it.

First some background on what exactly we are looking at here. This is my families old burial ground. It was lost for generations but was rediscovered back in the 1970's. A distant cousin of mine was led to the site of the cemetery by an old timer who has since passed. This cousin has shown others and eventually I was taken to the spot as well. A couple of years ago, another cousin and myself took it upon or selves to try to preserve the old family burial ground. Today the cemetery lies in a grove of trees that sites smack in the middle of a cow pasture. The grove of trees served as a source of shade for the cows which over time caused even more damage to the cemetery. My cousin and myself had a fence installed around the cemetery. There is only one grave that has markings, the grave of a young boy who would have been the Grand nephew of my Confederate Ancestor...the boys grandfather died a POW during the civil war and I have a couple of letters he wrote home from the war. It is possible that his grandfather is buried in this cemetery as he appears to have been in the process of being transported for exchange when he died. There are posibily two other Confederate Soldiers buried here as well, one was in the 53rd Georgia Infantry but all the graves but one have no markings, are just marked with simple stones or even just footer stones. My 4rth Great Grandparents are buried in two of the graves, they sent five sons off to war for the Confederacy, only two were alive when the war ended.

Anyway when I first arrived at the cemetery one very odd thing seems to stick out. There is a huge slab of granite that is well...out of place. It sites almost directly on top of the only grave with markings but slightly to one side. It is extremely heavily and it is hard to imagine it being moved far from where it was originally placed. The land owner who currently owns the property said that he became extremely interested in the cemetery as soon as he discovered it, said he originally thought it was an old slave cemetery because the marked stone was buried by leaves at the time so he didn't think any of the graves were marked. He said that when he first discovered the slab of granite that he figured it must have a carving of some kind on the underside. He hooked the slab to his tractor with a chain and with the help of others, pried it up to view the underside....nothing, no carvings of any kind. He said that since he had it standing, he left it upright and packed dirt around the base....it has since fallen which brings it to it's current state. The slab is not smooth like you typically see with slabs that go over the actual "hole" and it is very thick to be one of those. The only grave markings, after examining it, doesn't appear to have had one of these slabs as there are rocks arranged in a circle at the base of the head stone and then filled in with other stones to serve the same purpose as the slab would have. Someone suggested it might be a bench...but no legs or any other pieces have ever been found. I had the Georgia Historical Preservation Division send down two archaeologists who probed and found additional graves that we were unaware of and who are not marked with anything about 15 burials total.

Even these Archealogists were at a loss as to what the original purpose of this huge slab of granite would have been. It has to have cost a pretty penny back then. The archaeologists did point though that again the slab doesn't appear to go with the grave that it was closest too...as the only stone with Markings was made of Marble, not granite and the archaeologists also said it looks like Italian Marble, not the local Georgia Marble so it would not have been a cheap monument when it was new.

At lot has changed from the time this picture was taken, there is now a fence around the cemetery and the broken, marked stone in the picture has been repaired and is now back upright. Any thoughts on this slab of granite and what it was originally for? I would appreciate hearing your thoughts, especially from people like Mr. Wynn who works at a historical cemetery.

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Not seeing the image, Barnesville.
 
If it was used as bench it probably had wooden legs or logs that have already rotten, couldn´t that be?

What about a use as grave ledger ... markings could be on a seperate tombstone? Or possibly inteded to be used as ledger and brought in place before any markings were attached and for any reason didn´t get them later.
 
If it was used as bench it probably had wooden legs or logs that have already rotten, couldn´t that be?

What about a use as grave ledger ... markings could be on a seperate tombstone? Or possibly inteded to be used as ledger and brought in place before any markings were attached and for any reason didn´t get them later.
Could be and someone has recommended the ledger idea to me before. The only thing is that I assume assume there would be some way (even back then) to attach the tombstone to the ledger..there are no holes, markers (other than the tool marks that can be seen) that seem to indicate that something was or was ever intended to be attached to it. We want to move it so we can kind of make the cemetery more presentable but I am hesitant to move it until I can at least come up with a good guess as to what it is and find out if it does indeed go with the marked grave or not.
 
Someone has also recommended to me that perhaps it was the ledger of a tombstone that was stolen in the 1940's...apparently Granite was used to shore up basements or something in case there was an attack?? Anyway I was told that lots of these old cemeteries were looted for their granite and Marble during WW2. It seems odd though that they would take the stone and leave this perfectly good piece of granite.
 
I don't know. I don't know all the terminology...I thought by a ledger you meant the "base" of a tombstone...so I figured they would have to be attached somehow...burials appear to have stopped in the Cemetery in the 1880's so I didn't figure they would have used any kind of apoxy back then....the answer to you question is...I don't know.
 
That is a mystery. The only stones without inscriptions that look anything like that are parts of stone or metal and stone fences but I don't see any remains of a fence. I've also seen similar ones that were stepping stones for women to get into and out of carriages but I've not seen that use in a cemetery. I'm baffled.

I'm glad you found the place and are taking care of it. Just be careful not to further damage the stones. There might be other stones that are now buried. Careful use of a small metal probe might reveal such. Good luck and do let us know if you figure it out.
 
That is a mystery. The only stones without inscriptions that look anything like that are parts of stone or metal and stone fences but I don't see any remains of a fence. I've also seen similar ones that were stepping stones for women to get into and out of carriages but I've not seen that use in a cemetery. I'm baffled.

I'm glad you found the place and are taking care of it. Just be careful not to further damage the stones. There might be other stones that are now buried. Careful use of a small metal probe might reveal such. Good luck and do let us know if you figure it out.
Thank you Mr. Wynn, there was an old fence...the cemetery appears to have been divided in two. The part we call "the old part" use to have an old Bobbed wire fence around it. You can see see some of the corner posts in the ground if you know where to look, just the bottoms and they are rotten of course. You can still find pieces of the old bobbed wire buried in the ground. I have a couple of pieces of it as keep sakes...but there is no trace of a fence around the graves outside of the what we call "the old Part"..

Also there is evidence of an old road bed on the North of the cemetery...but the slab is on the south end...so none of that really works...a deep mystery.
 
Looks a lot like this:

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Those are hearthstones. Yours could be a paving slab like those, because it is smoother:

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No idea how that got there, but I would have to think that it is not connected to the cemetery or at least to the graves. Maybe someone wanted to build something in the area and had second thoughts...
 
Down here in New England, we'd expect it to be a foundation stone, or paving slab, as E_just_E suggests. Why in that location is the mystery. At the same time it is clearly a 'finished' piece, intended to be seen in its own right, rather than just a structural member. In the picture it does look like it had been standing upright, but has fallen face-down.

jno
 
Consulted on this with a close friend that runs a memorial stone company including forwarding the pic of same above. It is of his professional opinion that the slab could have been used for one of two purposes based on its relative size and measurements... First it once may have been the base for another stone to sit on top... not all used pins to secure the top in place... The Second possible option was that it sat flat over a grave... As was explained to me... these were sometimes used to sit over the top of an existing grave... not always a brick lined crypt type.. but could have been used over a filled in grave as well.... The same slab type sometimes also used similarly as the base stone for another to lay flat on.... such as the types of inscribed marble slabs commonly seen over a grave... many times they used a base stone such as this that the inscribed one would lay on top of for additional support... A few more possibilities to consider...
 
Thanks for the replies, certainly some new things in here to consider. I first came up with the idea that we could take it to a monument company and get the to carve the cemetery name on it....and use it as a memorial stone for the cemetery...but I was shocked that not one single monument company wanted to touch it...because they were afraid it would crack or break during the carving and they would have to replace it.
 
That's odd.... pretty sturdy slab of granite as far as I could tell... They don't actually carve or chisel them anymore... the inscriptions are done using a sand blaster type equipment...
 
That's odd.... pretty sturdy slab of granite as far as I could tell... They don't actually carve or chisel them anymore... the inscriptions are done using a sand blaster type equipment...
I was shocked as well...I called around to every monument company in the general area (since the stone was so heavy) and not one of them wanted anything to do with it. I would still be interested in using it to create a monument for the cemetery that way no matter what it was, it remains a part of the cemetery.
 

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