What is this cannon?

[Belfoured]

I think some confusion has crept into this thread.

1) The Methuen gun is a 6lb M1841 - see post 14, where I compare it (with the police officer for scale) with a period photo (with crew for scale).

2) The 96th PA gun is a one-off cast and bored by Pottsville PA artisans. It's lines are too 'smooth' to be based on an 1820's style tube.

The Methuen gun I've seen in the City Hall entrance "tunnel" would not be. It's possible that the gun in the photo is different but I find it interesting that there would be two similar such guns in the same location. The event referred to in the article is after the last date that I saw the gun at City Hall.

 

[Rhea Cole]

I think some confusion has crept into this thread.

1) The Methuen gun is a 6lb M1841 - see post 14, where I compare it (with the police officer for scale) with a period photo (with crew for scale).

2) The 96th PA gun is a one-off cast and bored by Pottsville PA artisans. It's lines are too 'smooth' to be based on an 1820's style tube.

As I said , the 1820 model was the best guess given the angle of the photo.



The shape of the 1841 model six pounder is distinctive.

In this instance, the Ames Model One 14 pound rifle is identical with the smoothbore 1851 model six pounder.

The reason for that rather odd design decision was that the 1/2 of the existing inventory was rebored & rifled.

Unless you are looking at this end of the barrel you can't tell them apart.

From the gunners's perspective, they are identical.

 

[Story]

Follow me on this - a possible clue to the fate of the Synder/Shalk tube.

Per wikipedia, the photo was donated by Col. Godwin Ordway to Library of Congress.
So the original hi rez copy is here - look carefully, there are two guns in this photo (scroll down to the bottom of this post for enhancement)

Officers of 96th Pennsylvania Infantry

1 photographic print on card mount : albumen.

www.loc.gov

Two takeaways
If that's this Ordway guy

Col Godwin Ordway (1873-1947) - Find a Grave...

Find a Grave memorial for Col Godwin Ordway born 11 Dec 1873 and died 1 Jan 1947. Buried at Arlington National Cemetery, Arlington, Arlington County, Virginia, United States of America, North America

www.findagrave.com

then his father is this guy, who in his role as Ordnance officer and 24th Massachusetts commander was in an ideal position to be part of the "finally turned over to a New England Battery, and that was the last seen or heard of it," mystery.

Albert Ordway (1843-1897) - Find a Grave Memorial

Civil War Union Army Brevet Brigadier General. he enlisted as a Private in the 4th Battalion of the Massachusetts Militia at the onset of the Civil War, but was soon commissioned as a 1st Lieutenant in the 24th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry. He served as the regiment's acting Adjutant when it...

www.findagrave.com

LOC 96th PA 9the OP's cannon) on the left and this contraption on the right, which looks like the Amusette of the 18th century updated for mid-19th century use. See https://civilwartalk.com/threads/the-ager-coffee-mill-gun.109533/

Seems like more details of/on the 96th's acquisition of an Ager might also shed more clues on their brass gun tube. From the thread above-
In 1861, the Agar machine gun was demonstrated to President Abraham Lincoln, who was so impressed that he ordered all ten available weapons to be purchased immediately, at a cost of $1,300 each, which was a very high price at the time. Later in the same year, General McClellan ordered an additional fifty weapons, at a reduced cost of $735 each. General Butler purchased two guns at $1,300 each, and in the following year General Fremont also purchased two, paying $1,500 for each.

 

[danielking1775]

Follow me on this - a possible clue to the fate of the Synder/Shalk tube.

Per wikipedia, the photo was donated by Col. Godwin Ordway to Library of Congress.
So the original hi rez copy is here - look carefully, there are two guns in this photo (scroll down to the bottom of this post for enhancement)

Officers of 96th Pennsylvania Infantry

1 photographic print on card mount : albumen.

www.loc.gov

Two takeaways
If that's this Ordway guy

Col Godwin Ordway (1873-1947) - Find a Grave...

Find a Grave memorial for Col Godwin Ordway born 11 Dec 1873 and died 1 Jan 1947. Buried at Arlington National Cemetery, Arlington, Arlington County, Virginia, United States of America, North America

www.findagrave.com

then his father is this guy, who in his role as Ordnance officer and 24th Massachusetts commander was in an ideal position to be part of the "finally turned over to a New England Battery, and that was the last seen or heard of it," mystery.

Albert Ordway (1843-1897) - Find a Grave Memorial

Civil War Union Army Brevet Brigadier General. he enlisted as a Private in the 4th Battalion of the Massachusetts Militia at the onset of the Civil War, but was soon commissioned as a 1st Lieutenant in the 24th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry. He served as the regiment's acting Adjutant when it...

www.findagrave.com

LOC 96th PA 9the OP's cannon) on the left and this contraption on the right, which looks like the Amusette of the 18th century updated for mid-19th century use.
View attachment 458784

Not sure I'm following? I think the other gun is an Agar/ coffee mill gun.

 

[Story]

Not sure I'm following? I think the other gun is an Agar/ coffee mill gun.

Easy there, Tiger - I was still building the post. See my reasoning for calling out the Ager.

 

[USS ALASKA]

https://americansocietyofarmscollectors.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/1988-B59-George-Schalk-Pennsylvania-gunsmith.pdf

HTHs,
USS ALASKA